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PilotFrog 03-31-2010 07:04 AM

If the 755 does go to 7ER won't that be a conversion and put all those slots up for bid for all the pilots? That seems like a HUGE amount of potential moving.

Dash8widget 03-31-2010 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 787166)
I suppose this isn't much different than DAL codesharing with Alaskan.
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Alaskan? Whats Alaskan?

Calling Alaska Airlines (no "n") Alaskan is just like calling Delta an Airline instead of Air Line

forgot to bid 03-31-2010 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 787202)
They are trying to manufacture leverage. The Delta F/A's would have to take significant compensation cuts if they voted for AFA now. The Delta F/A's have had two raises since the merger, NW AFA not so much. The AFA is probably trying to find a way to increase their wages prior to the vote to make it easier to prevail. Overall, the AFA when given a choice of how to handle this merger has made the wrong choice. The flailing will continue until the vote is taken.

What are they waiting for? Is it really for EFCA/card check or something else?

iaflyer 03-31-2010 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 787219)
If the 755 does go to 7ER won't that be a conversion and put all those slots up for bid for all the pilots? That seems like a HUGE amount of potential moving.

No, it won't be - it's only being called the 755 now to separate the pre-merger NWA 757 pilots because they haven't all been trained in the B767 and all the changes. It's just changing the name of the category - no other training required. It's already listed in the Category list for May 2010 as DTW 7ER.

Dash8widget 03-31-2010 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 787219)
If the 755 does go to 7ER won't that be a conversion and put all those slots up for bid for all the pilots? That seems like a HUGE amount of potential moving.

That's a good point - when the LAX and CVG 767 bases were converted to ER they were opened for bid just like a new category (which is what they were). Is there some sort of side agreement with ALPA concerning the 755 transition that would keep this from happening?

Justdoinmyjob 03-31-2010 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 787221)
What are they waiting for? Is it really for EFCA/card check or something else?

Their waiting to see if the rules change. There is a NPRM to change the way a non vote is counted. Presently it is counted as a NO vote. The proposed rule change will count it as nothing. So as long as a majority of the voters vote yes, even if it's a minority of eligible voters, the union is in.

Waves 03-31-2010 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 787223)
That's a good point - when the LAX and CVG 767 bases were converted to ER they were opened for bid just like a new category (which is what they were). Is there some sort of side agreement with ALPA concerning the 755 transition that would keep this from happening?

Transitioning to the ER category from the domestic 767 incurs a 9 month freeze. At least that's the way it's always been in the past.

JobHopper 03-31-2010 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 787042)
I read complaints from pilots about the loss of the freighters. Not your post, but they are out there. If that operation was making money, why on Earth would they shut it down? Is the assumption there is a deliberate effort to lose money?

It doesn't make sense.

The way it was explained to me by EB at Captain Leadership School was that there is too much freighter competition overseas. Consequently, the profit isn't there for dedicated freighters anymore. We were also told that with the combined fleets we are moving more belly freight than NWA did with its dedicated freighters. But I'm reading here from you international types that we are leaving freight behind:confused:.

OTOH, Delta just trumpeted its new $10 miliion mail contract. Fed Ex's mail contract is $1 BILLION, according to my Fed Ex buddies. Still sounds like there's money to be made out there.

Justdoinmyjob 03-31-2010 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 787223)
That's a good point - when the LAX and CVG 767 bases were converted to ER they were opened for bid just like a new category (which is what they were). Is there some sort of side agreement with ALPA concerning the 755 transition that would keep this from happening?

Those were converted from a domestic category to an international category. Since the 755 is already an international category, all they are doing is changing the name. Besides, isn't that category already open to bids through the AE?

iaflyer 03-31-2010 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 787226)
The way it was explained to me by EB at Captain Leadership School was that there is too much freighter competition overseas. Consequently, the profit isn't there for dedicated freighters anymore at US Passenger Carriers. We were also told that with the combined fleets we are moving more belly freight than NWA did with its dedicated freighters. But I'm reading here from you international types that we are leaving freight behind:confused:.

Let me fix that for you.

NWA just didn't want to invest in the freighters. Their competitors all bought B747-400 freighters and have lower costs. Atlas, Kalitta Air and Evergreen all make money these days and are US based and run.


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