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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 791491)
THANKS! Somebody gets it. The point is we were forced into concessionary bargaining and got used to the idea of trading jobs for credits. Now that ethic lives on and I sure do not want to see it applied to the 100 seat jet issue.
Management sure seems to be biding its time to see what we might be willing to sell. |
Bar and Alfa: Because I am mentally challenged and haven't had my meds yet, :D please explain to me exactly where you guys disagree. I know its in there somewhere, but I want the Reader's Digest short version so I can smack one of you down. :D Right now, I'm sort of confused. This is my normal state, but with your help, I would like to break free from this encumbrance.
P.S. I like multiple choice. At least I have a chance! |
ACL, saw your post on Kyrgyzstan. How does that affect our Military charter business and does it factor into our "European Charter" future?
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Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 791542)
From our point of view, scope should not be used as a bargaining chip, but can you with a straight face honestly tell me how it won't be? Do you guys really think that The Man (management) is just going to roll over and present us with some sort of gift? I have been peddling my thoughts on this issue for days without even much of a response. "Is this thing on?" OK, one more time. Every single item we ask for is assigned a value by both sides. Each side percieves a different value. These values rarely match and normally become the sticking point in negotiations. OK, back to your regular scheduled programming.
No. I don't believe they will roll over. But, after every thing we have given up over the last 7-8 years, we need to act like they should. (Isn't that what they did when the company's were in bankruptcy?) |
Originally Posted by FlyingSig
(Post 791466)
ASA wasn't as guilty as Comair but they weren't anywhere the saint some make them out to be.... seems the only way to get hired at ASA was to be an ex-ASA pilot.
I had an ATR type, 2000 in type, went & saw them at the Air Inc Job fair, and 3 letters of rec from ASA Capt's and couldn't buy an interview at ASA... |
Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 791481)
However, you can make a salient point without twisting the facts to conform with a preconceived idea of what went on. There was much more at stake than $600M and there was much more to the story than a quid pro quo trade. There is nothing quid pro quo about an 1113c contract rejection. Alfa and Slow have first hand knowledge of what went on, I give them a great deal more credibility in this debate.
If Bar's salient point is that scope should not be traded for bargaining credits, I agree completely. We agree, and that is the way it should be. The past is the past and there is no changing it. Lets all learn from it. Either way scope should not be for sale. |
Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 791484)
That's because you didn't have a southern drawl and two teeth missing. I'm soooooooooo kidding. Sorry acl, but I coudn't resist. Probably a timing issue. Where are you now?
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Originally Posted by Ragtop Day
(Post 791551)
ACL, saw your post on Kyrgyzstan. How does that affect our Military charter business and does it factor into our "European Charter" future?
FWIW, from first had reports their are rioters all over the city. Many ExPats stayed at the embassy last night. The sun is rising over there now. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 791556)
He is here at DAL.
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