If/When my union decides what side of the issue they are on, then I will agree. To my knowledge they are neutral.

I do have an opinion on it, and when asked by the FA's or the mechanics, I will give them some of my opinion, but until OUR union takes an official position, it is poor form for us to do so independently . That is all I am stating.

I support their right to organize. It is their their right afforded to them under law. My personal opinions are just that, and will remain that way until they have the full weight of the Association behind them.

I would normally agree... But they have decided on this stupid SCOPE grevance and want the merger "undone" YouTube - Scope: Protecting Our Work So it is their fight and their decision... Let them eat cake! :rolleyes:

Anybody want to tell me why Alaska Airlines needs a ticket kiosk INSIDE security in Terminal A? With CAL no longer being a member of Skyteam, and Alaska just last month starting service to Anchorage from IAH I wonder why it would be necessary. Perhaps a little paranoid on my part, but if DAL pax are going to ANC via IAH on AK that would be a scope NO-NO, yes?

It is probably a legal code share. Us to IAH connecting to AS in IAH all done on code share flights approved by section one.

I wore a blue tie to my Delta interview and still got hired! :)

You're fired! ;)

Then apply at UPS as a Driver, NOT a pilot:Seeing as how major airlines require clean driving records, most of us would qualify. FWIW, a starting UPS river makes a couple of grand more yearly than a DAL 767,73N, about to be 88 First Officer in his third year. (my box 1 is 70K) Insurance, time off, rest and time at home are better too. With the liability exposure of driving vans on public roads with precious cargo, worth maybe thousands, in the back, I can see why UPS has to pay so much to get responsible, capable, workers.

Best I can tell, the big difference is when we do the walk around, we'd be carrying a box :)

My cousin is a UPS van driver. He was part time for 10 years before a full time position opened up. During that 10 years there were no bennies at all. 60 hrs a week and part time. Once he got his full time gig, he got free health care, free uniforms, tons of time off ect.

He makes about North of 100K a year depending on the overtime at Christmas. Pretty darn good for a guy that barley graduated high school. (And yes, he laughs at what we make)

Who's not supporting their right to organize? They definitely have a right to do so. I for one am done trying to help them make their decision. I was supportive for two elections, but have since concluded it is not in their make-up to correctly manage a union... since they often can't manage a group of eight. We can barely make ours work.

So I sit back, and let them take responsibility for their decision. Not interfering is more respectful than trying to influence anyway.

Assuming they manage to work well enough together to figure out a plan, and assuming they get a union (and I hope it's a strong enough vote, so they're not broken within months), then we should welcome that union, and work with them, to the extent our interests match.

One problem I perceive on the North side is that you think you understand what the South F/A's are, or what they need. I have been here ten years, and wouldn't make such a bold claim as to say I understand them. I think you'r pilots are driven by principles that are very valid and noble for a hypothetical group (i.e. that that we should all represent ourselves), but haven't been tested with this particular group. I for one have been absolutely mystified by what drives some of these creatures, especially those in Atlanta. Talking to (some of) them about a union is a little like talking to a chicken about a computer. Except maybe the chicken is passive when it's confused, not aggressive. My advice, therefore, is for you to give the F/A's time to work together, and figure out a plan. In the meantime, trying to presume what's good for them is rather premature, and maybe even a little insulting.

Supporting their right to organize, and organizing them ourselves, are two different matters.