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I looked but still doesn't make any sense. The only number I care about is which one is the brf/sim time.

This is not the first time we've discussed the gs vs 1.5x pay and initially a lot of us DALS guys said hey, that sounds good! Until DALN guys on this forum talked us out of it and then I talked to the merger committee explained the ratio basis the pot of money earned on each system was a wash but that the 1.5X was seniority favored and doesn't give the company the benefit of Finding pilots during irops.

We need a thread dedicated to this issue because digging it out of this thread but it might be in one of the threads sink started on what contract we want in 2012 . I'll look to see.

I know we will all have opinions on this subject. I've worked at three airlines in the last 5 years and I've seen three totally different ways of dealing with premium pay. The DAL-S system is the weakest by far. Just for fun go back the past 12 months and add up how many hours over 80 you have been credited for and paid straight pay. PBS builds me a line over 80 hours almost every month whether I want it or not. I think all of us would have made more money getting paid 1.5X pay for those hours.

How about this idea. You volunteer to put yourself on reserve during days that reserves available are less than reserves required. For doing so you get the min day credit 5:15 paid at 1.5X pay. If they call you then you get 1.5X pay for 5:15 or the greater of what you fly. If they don't call you then you just get the 5:15. The system we have now basically puts you on reserve (no proffer for trip if they call you) and you don't get paid anything for it. Just another way of covering premium pay.

ACL, I love the idea of a sliding min guarantee based upon the ALV. Never thought of that.

How much do you want to bet that 90% of the opposite pre-merger group could not even name those individuals? What did this guy do that has made him so famous and hated that he is referred to as a Nazi? Did he really murder people?

When has there ever been any attack against your former MEC Chair from a south union official? I bet every north pilot could name Lee Moak within a few weeks of this whole process starting off because he was attacked relentlessly. There is a big difference between webboard chatter and official communications from union officials. The other point is that many of those attacks from union officials are just plain false. (does the hullabaloo over LOA 19 and who called who ring a bell?)

So I apologize for the "petty personal fiefdom" remark that was probably over the top, like much webboard chatter is. To somehow equate that to calling someone a Nazi is truly inappropriate and your attempt to justify it is pretty weak.

You say my using "north" and "south" is divisive and yet you defend the demand that the negotiating committee be divided amongst "north" and "south". You say you are trying to work and act like we are one pilot group and yet you defend the people who are working the most to generate divides. You can't have it both ways. If we are one pilot group, then there should be no labels on who came from where. If we are one pilot group then union leaders should quit trying to draw dividing lines. Right now I only see that from one group.

An hourly override for anyone on any trip that touches two days prior or two days after makes sense. IOW, any trip in which the company has the ability to deny an authorized personal drop due to the trip touching a holiday, as defined in our PWA, deserves premium pay

Sort of like DAL AFA organizers....:p

supporting a union that raided another union while it was in negotiations inside bankruptcy....

supporting a union that ensured labor no longer has the right to strike after contract rejection through 1113.

You just never know anymore...:rolleyes:

I think you may have missed my main point. My point was not necessarily indicating that our current system is superior. I’m not sure that it is. My point was actually a defensive post in reference to the guys complaining about how much they lost when they came to DAL. If you will dig out the mediation transcripts, you will find that the flying over 80 hours at NWA’s claim by all, was just not supported by the numbers. Very few dollars at NWA’s were made by this rule. You don’t have to take my word for it, just look it up for yourself. That was all I was really trying to convey. Our system paid out way more in $ than NWA’s system, albeit to the senior guys mostly. Admittedly, the system you guys speak of does spread the wealth more evenly, but I don’t think I would vote for it at 80 hours. Maybe 78 though.
Your idea about reserves seems OK to me.
What say you?

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Here ya go.

I completely agree. Remember, good negotiations are where both sides feel like they got shafted. :D I wasn't here for (on this thread) SLI, and maybe it's just as well. I don't think either side wanted to see this merger, but the benefits to both sides seem to be getting clearer every day.

Comon up to SLC, love to have ya.