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How much do you want to bet that 90% of the opposite pre-merger group could not even name those individuals? What did this guy do that has made him so famous and hated that he is referred to as a Nazi? Did he really murder people?

Never said Nazi, said National Socialist referring to some rather blatantly remarks reported to me made regarding N pilots by certain individuals. The leap is yours, but for the sake of civil discussion I will retract and apologize for the intentionally inflammatory remark - Godwin's law applies.

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So I apologize for the "petty personal fiefdom" remark that was probably over the top, like much webboard chatter is.

Fair enough

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You say my using "north" and "south" is divisive and yet you defend the demand that the negotiating committee be divided amongst "north" and "south".

Never said anything about 2-2 on the committee. The voting members of MEC, of which the majority are pre-merger DAL, held the decision in their hands - and there were enough in favor of 4 vs. 3 where it passed, as well as the unanimous election of a pre-merger DAL chairman. Seems to be the Reps are being color or compass blind regardless of your attempt to reinvent the outcome to portray it as along party lines.

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You say you are trying to work and act like we are one pilot group and yet you defend the people who are working the most to generate divides.

I'm not defending either, only commenting they have elements of truth that tap into a widespread discontent. I agree it was tossing a grenade into the room and walking away. I believe Chairman Moak is visiting DTW and MSP pilot bases to address some of these concerns. If there was nothing to the claims or the sentiments I doubt he'd be making the effort.

You on the other hand are seizing on common misconceptions about the pre-merger NWA pilot group to paint all the Reps and the pre-merger MEC with broad, self serving strokes in order to drive a wedge between bridges that are being and have been built. You don't like the fact that MEC is changing, and that the two pre-merger groups are doing their own MEC melting pot that has the result of certain individuals no longer having the same control over the Reps that he used to.

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You can't have it both ways. If we are one pilot group, then there should be no labels on who came from where.

I suggest you reread your post that elicited my original response.

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If we are one pilot group then union leaders should quit trying to draw dividing lines. Right now I only see that from one group.

Perhaps publicly. The other side of the aisle is doing it via other means as I first commented on. Same old politics in another wrapper, and I don't see the current MEC administration much different than either of the previous ones other than slightly different tactics and degrees of success.

Both the MEC and pilot group are going to evolve into something different than either group was before, and hopefully we draw on each others strengths to become a more effective, unified group. The impression I get is we are definitely in the midst of that process.

I felt your original post was a deliberate effort to divide in order to cling to old ways and lines of control. Perhaps it would be more constructive to expedite the melting pot?

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 793522)

Sort of like DAL AFA organizers....:p

supporting a union that raided another union while it was in negotiations inside bankruptcy....

supporting a union that ensured labor no longer has the right to strike after contract rejection through 1113.

You just never know anymore...:rolleyes:

None of your/our business.

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Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 793166)

Buzz,
luv ya back man, but you've gotta quit sushing us like we're some crazy old aunt up in the attic. We are somewhere like 45% of YOUR pilot group and won't be ignored

Please, get you're fingers outta your ears.....we really do want to help.

Ferd

So you contend that Nu's attitude is representative of ALL fNWA pilots? If that is true, we really are in deep doo doo.

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Originally Posted by Waves (Post 793332)

Don't forget, in the SLI negotiations, the North insisted they were taking a pay cut. I'm just sayin........

Oh no... here it comes..... :(

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 793561)

Oh no... here it comes..... :(

I wouldn't stir up the pot. Hmmmmm Or would I? Hmmmm :eek:

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Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 793386)

Super, there is a cost associated with everybody's wish list. 75 hr guarantee is great for the 20% of the pilots on reserve,7% pay raise ! How about the 80% not on reserve ? Unless you are bottom of the seniority list reserve is a choice.I personally don't think it's fair to give a reserve 777 Capt 7% more to sit at home while I have to bust my but to get those same 75 hours. Do I think we should improve the reserve system ?, yes I do but I don't think any small portion of the company should get a windfall. Pay raises help everybody.
Sermon to follow; In my 30 plus years at the big D I have learned one very important fact of life.If you want to have QOL and good pay stay senior

in category, all the good deals go to those senior in their category. Case in point, pre BK i made a lot of money flying 76ER Capt but I had 2 buds in my class make way more and have a better QOL as MD-!! FO's ! Super, I like your posts, you have the right idea.

Windfall??? Are you kidding me? This post is a CLASSIC case of pulling up the ladder. By YOUR logic, the only ones actually that have any room to complain about reserve are the most junior guys in the company, because anybody else that has bid up should have stayed a DC9 or maddog or whatever newhire FO position they got because then they would be junior and be able to avoid reserve. It's fine if we are in a growth cycle, but in case YOU haven't been paying attention, that has not been the case for a few years, and the likelyhood of that changing anytime soon is remote. This kind of attitude is disgusting. I think I heard you say once "don't worry son, you'll be senior some day" Since you have 30+ years, I will venture to guess you are very very senior, so my advice to anybody that read the above post is to ignore it because it represents few fDAL pilots' attitudes.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 793557)

So you contend that Nu's attitude is representative of ALL fNWA pilots? If that is true, we really are in deep doo doo.

Humm T,

Do all pmDs think, like you seem to, that all good ideas came from Delta Air Lines or DALPA and we have nothing to offer? Then, yes I think we are in deep doo doo.

I think you missed the part where where I said we want to help.

Have a nice life

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Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 793467)

Improve pay for reserves, I can go for that but not a 7% pay raise that only goes to 20% of the pilots. As stated before a sliding scale 5 hrs below the alv (not less than 70) would give most everybody on reserve a pay raise right now and be restoration of what we once had. We all want the same thing, just how do we allot it.

Sadly I've started to find that the contract is like a game of jenga, you go in there and pull a block thinking it won't hurt anything and the whole thing topples down. Such as; "hey if you don't need that vacation then sell it and make some extra money..." and then people are furloughed.

Is there a downside to a sliding reserve pay? I'm tired and can't think of any off hand but if a sliding scale can be vetted and still works then I'm all for it.

Any one seeing the rising steam, or is that just my monitor going out again? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 793568)

Sadly I've started to find that the contract is like a game of drunk jenga, you go in there and pull a block thinking it won't hurt anything and the whole thing topples down. Such as; "hey if you don't need that vacation then sell it and make some extra money..." and then people are furloughed.

Is there a downside to a sliding reserve pay? I'm tired and can't think of any off hand but if a sliding scale can be vetted and still works then I'm all for it.

Agreed. As long as nobody pulls anymore blocks out, count me in. :)