Sailing I'm actually coming on board with the cap and real limits if you can believe that, but only if we get some real pay rate increases. My wife quit working this year so I flew to the cap as often as I could. Still only made 85K. We should be able to have 2nd year guys making 100K. That equates to about $8300 per month or $111/hr with a 75 hour cap. That's about a 37% raise based on the 2012 M88B rates for 2nd year guys. I'll take that and be the biggest cheerleader DALPA has for the 75 hour cap. If we get less of a raise than that, then the cap needs to be higher so we can make a living. 100K is almost considered lower middle class these days so a Delta pilot should make nothing less than that after first year "dues" have been paid.

I agree with you.

Too low. I don't think that by the time we get to putting signatures on the document, those numbers would bring us back to an inflation adjusted 30% paycut from C2K. (I just wagged the numbers.. but I'll bet it isn't too awful far off)

Shuttle Launch for 0621 is looking good for tomorrow. Anybody on the Space Coast look outside and watch to the east :)

If I may turn your question around, before we pull out those threads sink made with what we want for C2012, but lets say nothing changed in the contract in C2012 but the pay rates. Same workrules, same scope language, same 23K, everything.

What then would you 1) demand for pay increase, what do you think you could 2) get, what would 3) settle for?

Now, how much would you be willing to give up for... whatever?

Keenster, you've got 200+ posts. Time for a non-generic avatar.

BTW, did NWA have PBS? I can't remember.

Speaking of getting Keen a new avatar, wasn't Ferd Iron Man? I think he was. Anyways, I think I know what he's been up to.

Ferd, The Iron Man, fast forward to 35 seconds

Rough life.

Several things;
a) yikes, oil hit $85 last week and its only April. Most analyst say $3+ gal car gas this summer or earlier.

b) it sounds like, to me, if this was a stock market show we'd say the A319 and MD88 stock is up, up big, RJ stock down. With that said, what happens to the other narrowbodies, the 757 and 737?

c) increase texas flying, AWESOME, put a hub in Laredo. Actually can we get into Love? Can we go around operating out of DFW by increasing flights out of AUS and SAT? Can we do a 777 IAH-Lagos?

Hey enuff, nu and keen.

I've been thinking about the DTW 755/7ER bid packet and looking through it. One thing that comes to mind is that until recently, Delta was the airline that brought you 767-400s from ATL-LGA, MD-11s from ATL-JAX, B777s from ATL-MCO. If they did that to those planes, the 757 was nothing more than a work horse on par with the 727 with the ability to go far... if you wanted to do so. Hence the restructuring of our utilization gave us our massive overnight expansion without having to order a plane.

With the push to elliminate ATL 767 domestic and merge it into the ER category the ER guys are saying, imo, the same thing you are. What the heck? We are an international category, we do 2 leg 3-days and 4 leg 6-days, not 4 leg day trips that start at 0600. That's been a bitter pill for many of them to swallow.

Yes, I think it was 97 when we went to PBS.

Holy cow, you guys must've been the first.

I think you summed it up well - I looked at the DTW 7ER bid package and thought "wow - the DAL-N guys are going to be surprised when they see this."

I think the biggest change (that I see) is that Delta uses the 757 differently. At NWA, it seemed to be mostly a trans-con plane, with a bunch of Asia stuff, other stuff here and there and trips to Florida. And some Atlantic flying.

As you can see, domestically, Delta uses the 757 like other airlines use a CRJ. Delta seems to use the 737 like you used to use the 757. Until recently, almost all the West Coast-JFK flying was the 737.

I feel bad for you guys - now you're working more legs a day and works more days a month. But, in DTW at least, less people are on reserve than last month.

Well I just looked at the SLC 320 trips for may and it looks like the 5-day rotations are coming to SLC. I wonder how long it will take for those to sneak into the 737 and M88 categories? Other than that, the trips look alot like the 90 trips did with a few longer legs like PHL and IAD.

At NWA, we insisted on 5-day trips - lots of 'em. The southern section will come to appreciate them as more guys are forced into commuting.