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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 793416)

Simplify for every pilot:

75hr minimum pay for the month, no exceptions
5:15 minimum daily pay, no exceptions

Cheers
George

Surely you don't mean that. Would we call that the commune delta or what. Again, unless you are junior on the seniority list reserve is a choice. I agree with a sliding scale tied to ALV (not max alv).,maybe something like alv - 5 but never less than 70.

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Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 793405)

Just heard management is talking to ALPA leadership about letting go some more scope to allow regionals to fly birds with up to 100 seats in exchange for some pay increases. Any truth to this?

From the Council 20 Update, 4/08/10

Rumors
We cannot respond to every rumor that is circulating, but one your council officers have recently been made aware of is worth addressing. There have not been any discussions with Delta management, nor are any scheduled, on relaxing the PWA scope protections in regards to “100 seat aircraft in exchange for a pay raise”. Last fall, Council 20 passed a resolution on scope. The MEC then unanimously passed this resolution. The resolution states:

1053 - (AI 09-144) Maker: Hay Second: McDonald

BE IT RESOLVED the Delta Master Executive Council affirms its commitment to enforcing and improving all sections of the Pilot Working Agreement, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta Master Executive Council affirms Section 1 of the Pilot Working Agreement is an integral part of a comprehensive strategy to protect the careers of all Delta pilots.

Passed: Unanimous.

I always put a GS in with no time limit. They call, and even if I am in DFW or points west I tell em I can make it but tell them where I am. When I do this if they really need me the will PSY me to the GS! :D

To answer your question, yes they do.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 793421)

I'm curious as to the past experiences of DAL guys with GS flying. What I mean is, has anyone had experience where they were assigned GS flying 12+ hours in advance? Is there any hope for commuters to get GS flying? Did this happen last summer.

Just wondering if my dreams of ROLLING THUNDER this summer even have a chance of being reality.

J29, I am a commuter and when there are lots going out you can get them as a commuter,seniority in category helps.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 793421)

Yes, I have been assigned GS's in excess of 12 hours. Just put it in the criteria boxes. It will of course eleiminate many of the GS's generated on short notice, but yes it does happen all the time.

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Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 793422)

Surely you don't mean that. Would we call that the commune delta or what. Again, unless you are junior on the seniority list reserve is a choice. I agree with a sliding scale tied to ALV (not max alv).,maybe something like alv - 5 but never less than 70.

I would go for this too. As you know finis, we had this in a previous contract. It was cap minus 5 hours. ALV minus 5 would be pretty much the same. With a minimum 70hrs.

Johnso29, definitely put in the GS and say you need notice of 12 hrs if that's the min time you need. When there are a lot of GS's, they know well in advance. If you are willing to do it, it never hurts to try.

Denny

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 793424)

This is true also, but it sometimes ticks them off when you have a GS in and then can't make it. Yeah, I know, who cares. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 793422)

Reserve is a choice during expansion, it is not necessarily a choice while AC bases are being rearranged and the company is contracting the same way furlough is not a choice while the company is contracting.

The Delta pilot pay floor should be 75 for every pilot.

The minimum daily pay ought to apply when the company puts something on your schedule. Training, deadhead etc...

Seniority sorts out what fleet, base and days off you are eligible for...
I don't think this would lessen your seniority ;-)

Cheers
George

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 793392)

This policy was confined to my by my rep. Perhaps it is being mis-interpreted by someone.

Nu

I'd say it is. I'll say it again. I have never been asked, ordered, or told otherwise to report LEC contact or any contact from anybody to the MEC level. FWIW I'm also a committee subgroup chairman with a budget. I'm allowed to do business as I see fit and have never been told otherwise.

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Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 793401)

Wow, pretty bitter pill there, Alfa.

I will confess we did get a pay RATE raise. I also know that we lost over 400 seniority list instructor positions (not to mention the staffing backfill that required), which all paid pretty well. I know a lot of guys who lost tens of THOUSANDS of dollars in sick time. I also know that a lot of guys are still taking it in the shorts as far as DC contributions. I know we lost time and half for everything over 80, which was a HECK of a lot more flexible than waiting in base for the phone to ring. Also a lot of guys who commute are not getting green slips because they don't live in base. But of course, that's a choice, right? I know we lost a great call in honest policy (which was policy, granted, but it's still gone).

Personally, I'm tickled that we have people on the NC that bring a viewpoint and EXPERIENCE of working under a different system to the party. I'm really, really glad we don't have a "not invented here" kind of person, and I am sure as heck glad we didn't get any disciples of interest based bargaining, or anything that looks like it.

I think the angst your seeing in the mirror, Alfa, is that you just weren't expecting a pilot group that didn't bow down and kiss the very ground just for wearing a DAL uniform. While a the south guys have a majority, it's a slim one, and this wasn't the steamroller the Northeastern, Western or PanAM merger was. Northside guys are INVOLVED, they pay attention to what goes on, and when they have a problem, they call their reps and make noise. The reps listen to them, otherwise they aren't reps anymore. Deal with it.

We're here because they pay us to be here, and not because of what it says on the side of the airplane (what would you call that? Delta Jet Syndrome? DJS?)

"Merger of equals"...yes, I seem to remember that coming from one of the arbitrators in the transcript. It's not your ball anymore Alfa, it's OUR (as in north and south) and you need to learn to share.

Personally, I think we got a great group. I think the MEC is in a position to represent the interests of EVERYONE at DAL, and given another year for everyone to find their footing, it will be in great shape heading into 2012. I honestly believe the MEC and the NC understand what's NOT for sale.

It's time that you stop sowing YOUR "politics of personal destruction" and "hop on board the train before it leaves the station" (ahhh, turnabout is such fair play).

Nu

Well I guess I just don't understand it. How many outraged letters of resignation do we have coming from south guys? How many hate filled letters do we have coming out of south reps? How many times have the south guys threatened to storm the gates because the company is following the contract? When all of these actions are called out, then that is bitterness and disunity.

I am sorry, but the KW letter and the Council 54 newsletter were meant solely to whip people in a frenzy and divide the pilot group. I point that out and I am the angry one? This is bizarro world.

No one expects the north pilots to kiss the ground in Atlanta. Is it too much to ask to stop whipping people into a frenzy every two weeks?

I also like how you throw out the IBB balloon again. Define for me what an IBB negotiation looks like and a non-IBB negotiation looks like. I have yet to see a realistic answer to this.