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Carl Spackler 07-20-2010 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 843555)
new, all that technology is to make up for what a well experienced 9 pilot has in their head. Its a handicap.
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This is for Check, more Dahlonega Nudist Retreat:

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1253431876/810/2883810.jpg

Does that cat look, perturbed on the right? Like its just figuring out something ain't right?

Haven't these people ever heard of salads?!?

Ever notice that nudists are always the ones that shouldn't be?

Carl

DeadHead 07-20-2010 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 843567)
There is a push to go to a Hard Card for the Recall Items but to date that has not occurred.

Also think of it this way. We are not required to know a/c weights just fuel capacities. It is a "big boy" course. I have taken a few PC's here and a few other events and a few full training courses. It is probably the best way to get the required checks in em boxes with the least amount of pain. Of course I would like a little more class work on the systems, but we as pilots have proven that a bare bones course works and that we can be successful with it. It will be really hard to convince the finance guys to throw millions that way, so the onus is on us to make it work.

I think the theory is, as much as I hate to say it, the less in-depth systems knowledge a pilot has, the less likely that pilot will start straying outside QRH checklist items.

Personally I think it comes down to judgement with a conservative approach to intervening with a checklist item and doing what makes sense. At the end of the day, regardless of the outcome, a flight crew will need to have a very good explanation for deviating from a checklist item as opposed to doing things line by line.

Prior to Delta, my sim checks at my previous employer frequently included an engine fire during a single engine approach. This is a prime example where completely ignoring the memory items can prevent one from shutting down both engines. This is an extreme case with an obvious understanding of what the appropriate action should be, but the concept is the same.

I think safety works in numbers, and most aircraft makers, airline companies, and training departments feel that there is a very remote percentage of emergency situations that are not covered in a FAA approved QRH.

Again, I just think this is the mentality, not that I entirely agree. I for one would like at least a week or two of aircraft systems training just to have a better understanding of the aircraft. I could definitely use the extra sleep.:D

forgot to bid 07-20-2010 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 843567)
There is a push to go to a Hard Card for the Recall Items but to date that has not occurred.

Also think of it this way. We are not required to know a/c weights just fuel capacities. It is a "big boy" course. I have taken a few PC's here and a few other events and a few full training courses. It is probably the best way to get the required checks in em boxes with the least amount of pain. Of course I would like a little more class work on the systems, but we as pilots have proven that a bare bones course works and that we can be successful with it. It will be really hard to convince the finance guys to throw millions that way, so the onus is on us to make it work.

^^ it's so true, if you're used to knowing tire and strut pressures and you come to Deltas training department you're amazed at how less you know- relative to other training- yet you do just fine day in and day out.

It's like DH said, keeps pilots from getting into someone elses job. Don't break it and if it's broken run the QRH and it's really a problem, land. Knowing nuances of an airplane won't save the day when push comes to shove.

Btw, previous employer also on type rides threw in the engine failures on go arounds in imc and approach to stall to recovery within 50 or 100', can't remember. Not complaining, actually thought that was good training but if Delta doesn't do it then I can live without it. :cool:

acl65pilot 07-20-2010 05:28 AM

I like having the in depth knowledge. For one we can actually tell a Mechanic what is going on. I also do not want to build a jet, just understand how it "really" works.

I know from my former life we never did a multiple systems emergency in a checking event. It was always a single systems malfunction that was covered in the QRH. Now ever so often we would have a scenario that required true systems knowledge.

I just do not see us reverting to that given how successful we have been at the current system.

acl65pilot 07-20-2010 05:30 AM

FtB, I agree. Also, it comes down to what really is going to happen in the "real world."

johnso29 07-20-2010 05:57 AM

Nothing like waking up @ 0400 to commute in only to have your first turn cancelled. :p

forgot to bid 07-20-2010 06:05 AM

What was the saying, what we want you to know about the 767 is 6' wide and 1" deep. Which is the width of the cockpit and how deep a button goes when pushed.

Check Essential 07-20-2010 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 843555)
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This is for Check, more Dahlonega Nudist Retreat:

Hey!
Who wouldn't want to go to a nudist retreat in the sticks of rural Georgia?
What could possibly go wrong?
I'm sure the people are all young and beautiful up there.
And they've thought of everything:


http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/u...r_nudist_1.jpg

Scoop 07-20-2010 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 843604)
Hey!
Who wouldn't want to go to a nudist retreat in the sticks of rural Georgia?
What could possibly go wrong?
I'm sure the people are all young and beautiful up there.
And they've thought of everything:


http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/u...r_nudist_1.jpg


That was actually MacGyvers dad - he was not only an inventor, but also a well known nudist.

Scoop

capncrunch 07-20-2010 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 843583)
Prior to Delta, my sim checks at my previous employer frequently included an engine fire during a single engine approach. This is a prime example where completely ignoring the memory items can prevent one from shutting down both engines.

I find this very interesting, if not somewhat disturbing. What pilot would shut down their only remaining engine. Was this really a problem?


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