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DelDah Capt 07-30-2010 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 848039)
Any idea if "lost income" due to military leave is / is not included? Say you were on ML 6 months, do they prorate the 6 months on "expected earnings" or is your profit sharing cut 50%. Thanks.


I'll give you my Profit Sharing check if you promise to change that Avatar...I'm a long time proponent of "Go Ugly Early", but there's not enough Beer in the world to flatten out some of those flabby rolls....there's gotta be mushrooms growing under them things.

JABDIP 07-30-2010 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 848106)
There was a GSWC last week on the NYCERB.

where do you go to see trips that were given out as GS.:confused:

80ktsClamp 07-30-2010 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 848172)
where do you go to see trips that were given out as GS.:confused:

log into icrew... select open time and then daily trip coverage. if you arent sure what a code is just press help and it pulls up all the letter id's.

Pro Fessional 07-30-2010 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 847946)
It is in the PWA.

Section 3. I

If we are under a 2.5 billion dollar operating profit it is about 4% of your W2.

acl-

It has nothing to do with operating profit (although I wish it did.) It is based on pre-tax income (excluding special items and expense associated with employee profit sharing.) Operating profit does not take interest expense into account, and unfortunately we have plenty of that. In the most recent quarter Delta had an operating profit of $852M but pre-tax income (excluding special items) of $549M. I'm not sure where you get the 4% of W2 figure. If we make $10M do we get 4% of W2? Uh, no.

Pineapple Guy 07-30-2010 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 848039)
Any idea if "lost income" due to military leave is / is not included? Say you were on ML 6 months, do they prorate the 6 months on "expected earnings" or is your profit sharing cut 50%. Thanks.

Don't hold me to it, but as I recall, in 2007 when DAL last paid profit sharing, they paid mil leave guys an amount as if they had been here. I don't think they are legally required to, but I do think they paid it, more or less.

Again, I'm not 100% sure, so don't spend it yet. ;)

Carl Spackler 07-30-2010 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 848068)
I've got a better one. In ANC they were using RNWY 14 due to strong crosswinds. So we had like a 29kt headwind and RNWY 14 is the longest runway. We could not get the AWABS to give us the numbers becasue we were RATOW limited. The dispatcher, load control, and us were all scratching our heads. It showed the runways with 29 kt crosswinds to be good.

Something about the DAL software I guess.

I want to say it soooo bad...but I won't.

Carl

Herkflyr 07-30-2010 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 848236)
I want to say it soooo bad...but I won't.

Carl

Please do! As a south guy, I think that the DAL culture was superior to NWA's (in most of the touchy-feely ways) but aside from a perhaps unhealthy obsession with the rigidity of your SOPA/SMAC, I am getting the feeling that NWA's operational procedures were superior to most of DAL's.

I hope we take a few more of your operational policies and implement them.

Oh, and don't suggest to our FLOE (Flight Ops Engineering) that a lot of their products are sub-standard. They tend to be very touchy...probably because they have gotten so much flak over the years! :D

acl65pilot 07-30-2010 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Pro Fessional (Post 848186)
acl-

It has nothing to do with operating profit (although I wish it did.) It is based on pre-tax income (excluding special items and expense associated with employee profit sharing.) Operating profit does not take interest expense into account, and unfortunately we have plenty of that. In the most recent quarter Delta had an operating profit of $852M but pre-tax income (excluding special items) of $549M. I'm not sure where you get the 4% of W2 figure. If we make $10M do we get 4% of W2? Uh, no.

The 4% was a rough guess. It is one that other have used for illustration.

NuGuy 07-30-2010 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 848244)
Please do! As a south guy, I think that the DAL culture was superior to NWA's (in most of the touchy-feely ways) but aside from a perhaps unhealthy obsession with the rigidity of your SOPA/SMAC...

Ahhh, I hear this a lot. Like the contents of the NWA "release" and flight plan and Delta's release, there is a bit of misconception of what SOPA/SMAC really was.

It wasn't an iron bound scripture. It wasn't an "Air Force" like book where it only told you what you could do, versus only what you couldn't.

Rather, it was like a very well lit, modern highway. Lots of lights and smooth pavement with well designed on and off ramps with plenty of signs. Both you and your partner knew the road very well because you had studied the same, very clear and colorful maps. It didn't matter who you were with, because everyone knew the road as well as you did, and even if they didn't, the road was clear enough, with plenty of "Exit ahead, 2 miles" signs that it smoothed it out considerably for new folks. If you were suppose to turn off at a specific exit, but weren't, your partner knew well ahead of time, and could let you know to get over to the exit lane without fuxoring traffic all up.


Nu

LeineLodge 07-30-2010 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 848307)
Ahhh, I hear this a lot. Like the contents of the NWA "release" and flight plan and Delta's release, there is a bit of misconception of what SOPA/SMAC really was.

It wasn't an iron bound scripture. It wasn't an "Air Force" like book where it only told you what you could do, versus only what you couldn't.

Rather, it was like a very well lit, modern highway. Lots of lights and smooth pavement with well designed on and off ramps with plenty of signs. Both you and your partner knew the road very well because you had studied the same, very clear and colorful maps. It didn't matter who you were with, because everyone knew the road as well as you did, and even if they didn't, the road was clear enough, with plenty of "Exit ahead, 2 miles" signs that it smoothed it out considerably for new folks. If you were suppose to turn off at a specific exit, but weren't, your partner knew well ahead of time, and could let you know to get over to the exit lane without fuxoring traffic all up.


Nu

Strangely a very good description of how it was to fly under SOPA/SMAC. I'd love to see it return, but am not holding my breath


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