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Denny Crane 07-29-2010 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 847896)
When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?

And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.

The smaller number is your scheduled duty and the larger number is your max duty based on scheduled report for the day. Max duty is the one you add 2 hours too.

I could be wrong but I don't think there is anything in the contract that actually prohibits you from going to 16 hours if you wanted to. However I would think long and hard about that one........

Denny

Edit: NewK I just read your post and you covered it all!! So disregard the above!:)

RockyBoy 07-29-2010 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 847837)
2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time?

That is correct. You can do one of two things if you want to get all 20 hours paid at GS pay.

1. If you have hours in your bank from previous bank deposits you can pull out 10 hours to get to the GS trigger then you will get all 20 hours paid as double pay. I always have 10-15 hours in the bank for that reason. Someone told me you can pull out hours you don't have and go to a negative bank balance to get up to the trigger, but I'm not sure about that since I've never tried it.

2. WS a trip on your days off for straight pay that is worth at least 10 hours and then you will get the 20 hours for your GS paid at double pay. Right now you will get paid 30 hours for your trip. If you pick up a 10 hour two day you will get 50 hours of total pay vs. 30 so you essentially get double pay for the 10 hour WS trip you pick up.

shiznit 07-29-2010 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 847837)
2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time?

I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down.


Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance :D

One other point. Since the GS trigger is at 75 and you only have 65 hrs. of credit, it would be wise to pull 5 hours out of your full service bank to get your credit upto the 70, thus making 15 of the 20 GS pay 2x. Then next month put the 10 hours back in your bank to even it out, or just let it refill over time with your first 5 hrs. credit over 80 each month.

It essentially gets you double pay for that extra 5 hours. (You can only pull 5 hours out of your bank in any month you get a GS. PWA 12.O.4.a)

Check out PWA Sec. 12.O.1-9 on page 12-16.

This stuff is in "Hours of Service"...That's probably why you couldn't find it very easily.

RockyBoy 07-29-2010 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 847914)
One other point. Since the GS trigger is at 75 and you only have 65 hrs. of credit, it would be wise to pull 5 hours out of your full service bank to get your credit upto the 70, thus making 15 of the 20 GS pay 2x. Then next month put the 10 hours back in your bank to even it out, or just let it refill over time with your first 5 hrs. credit over 80 each month.

It essentially gets you double pay for that extra 5 hours. (You can only pull 5 hours out of your bank in any month you get a GS.)

Check out PWA Sec. 12.O.1-9 on page 12-16

I always have hours in the bank and pull out what it takes to get to 75 before I get a GS. I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain that I've always been able to fill up to the GS trigger and get paid 2X for all GS hours even if I had to put more than 5 hours in from the bank.

newKnow 07-29-2010 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 847912)
The smaller number is your scheduled duty and the larger number is your max duty based on scheduled report for the day. Max duty is the one you add 2 hours too.

I could be wrong but I don't think there is anything in the contract that actually prohibits you from going to 16 hours if you wanted to. However I would think long and hard about that one........

Denny

Edit: NewK I just read your post and you covered it all!! So disregard the above!:)

Hey you, non-commuter. What are you going to do with all that extra time now that you don't have to spend an extra 2-4 days a month on an airplane or away from home? I'm jealous. Congrats, Denny! :D

shiznit 07-29-2010 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 847916)
I always have hours in the bank and pull out what it takes to get to 75 before I get a GS. I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain that I've always been able to fill up to the GS trigger and get paid 2X for all GS hours even if I had to put more than 5 hours in from the bank.

I thought so too, but it is right there in the PWA...

Carl Spackler 07-29-2010 10:48 PM

Denny said something about GSWC. I assume that means Green Slip With Conflict. What advantage does that give you??

Carl

reddog25 07-30-2010 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 847830)
If you use Alfa's numbers, $90M / 3 (pilot group = a 3rd) and divide by 10,500 pilots equals $2,857 as an average, some above some below.

Yep...just don't go out and buy that used Ford Focus just yet....set aside means they have to hit a profit in all qtrs.:cool:

LeineLodge 07-30-2010 02:14 AM

Thanks Denny, Rocky, and Shiz!

I was looking for this stuff in scheduling, not hours of service. What was I thinking?:)

sailingfun 07-30-2010 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 847916)
I always have hours in the bank and pull out what it takes to get to 75 before I get a GS. I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain that I've always been able to fill up to the GS trigger and get paid 2X for all GS hours even if I had to put more than 5 hours in from the bank.

You have been shorting yourself. You can pull out as many hours as you would like to fill up however only 5 hours in a month where you have a GS.

A pilot may withdraw or borrow from his bank account for the following purposes:
a. to receive additional credit for pay purposes (up to the lesser of the ALV plus five
hours or 82 hours) for the current bid period.
Exception: A pilot may not withdraw more than five hours from his bank in a bid
period in which the pilot is awarded a GS.


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