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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 847520)

While what you say is true, I have never had a scheduler give me any grief if I simply explain to them that I am out of position or whatever, and cannot make a GS that did in fact meet my requirements. Logic really DOES take precedent their most of the time, and they realize that if they try to force you into a GS that you cannot make that they could wind up using a precious short call or going to some other heroic measure to cover the trip..

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What they can do (and have in the past) is put a 'CPR' on your line. This stands for chief pilot review. In essence, that is a note to the CPO to call you in and explain why you are not following the contract. In their eyes, declining a GS that meets the parameters of your request is tantamount to a no show. The whole idea behind the automation for submitting slips is to reduce the workload (re: headcount) of the schedulers during IROPS when time is of the essence. They don't have time to call 50 pilots to cover one greenie. They are assuming that if the trip fits yours slip, then you are going to fly it. As its been said, its not a proffer.

I know it limits your universe of trips, but its best to put your required time to show as a preference on your slip. You don't want too many 'no shows' in your file as they do keep track. Last I heard, you get two for sure and three and you're out... over your career.

Nevermind, I found it

I agree with you Ts. My point is be reasonably sure you can do what you are requesting to do.

Denny

Unless that is written in the contract, it is an urban myth.

I do agree that you need to put in the proper parameters or don't answer the phone and look it up later. The schedulers get plssed because you are wasting their time if you answer and then tell them no dice if a trip matches your slip. I definitely see their side on that.

Be honest about your slips and it will never be an issue.

I got a call for a GS yesterday that I couldn't quite make...sign-in was about 10 mins before I could reasonably expect to get there. I didn't answer the phone call, but was debating with myself whether I should call back and check on a late sign in. Anybody ever tried that?

But here's the problem Denny. I'll give a little more info on my situation. I just flew an out of base GS that finished with a redeye. I was still in the process of commuting home when I was contacted for another GS in base. I was no where near my base (or home for that matter) and I had not slept in nearly 24 hours. The GS they were calling about started with a redeye. When I explained that I was unrested and not in position, that's when she turned on the ***** mode. I have never had a scheduler talk to me like that, ever.

So what exactly is "Acknowledge" the trip? Is it saying "hello" or is it "yes I can be there?" I tend to believe the latter. For the one time I may have not been able to help out there are probably 20 that I have. It's summer and the whole operation is stressed. We all have to work together to make it run smoothly.

BD

That is usually fine with them.

Did that once and no problem. They called the CA and told him I might make push back, while the debate was really that I might sign in 10 min late. I made sign in with a few sec to spare and even got a call from CPO with an "attaboy".

However, that was the old crew scheduling, not the people we are dealing with nowadays (the downturn started aprox 4 months ago). Now I am on an out of base trip, pulled from a SC to cover a Europe trip out of ATL. I find it really hard to see why they didn't cover this trip with a GS rather than DH me all over and put me up in downtown ATL for two nights, unless they are told to reduce the GS to minimum. Common sense has left Mekka... :rolleyes:

Denny,

You are spot on with your post. The really sad part of this whole affair was the next chapter. Some time during the whole BK era (not quite sure which LOA) Green-slips were changed from 2.0 to 1.5 times pay, and only over over XX hours of credit, of which sick time, vacation etc did not count. To me an average non-lawyer Joe this meant "No more status quo."

In my unsophisticated world the union could have used the preceding case as precedent for not performing any more additional flying - the company made a change to the status quo. We had guys on furlough and to me, this was a missed opportunity. Overall, I think DALPA has done quite well in the tumultuous decade following 9-11, but I will never understand the above situation. Maybe the senior guys were digging the extra flying and thought it was a way to help soften the drastic pay cuts. Maybe the union was a little gun-shy after the previous court ruling.

Scoop

Yep..sign in doesn't matter to them. Launch time is what matters.