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sailingfun 07-30-2010 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 847702)
Denny,

Can you truly have mutual agreement when one side is threatening the other with BK and a team of lawyers? My point is, that no matter who changed the rules, by definition there was no more status-quo. If guys stop doing the extra flying at this time the union could have said - "Look I guess its just not enough of an incentive and that is why guys are not doing green-slips anymore." But, conceding your above point, I guess someone would have had to organize this, and subject themselves to lawsuits etc. :eek:

Funny thing is - I think the above is exactly what happened....eventually. A lot of guys stopped doing GSs with the more restrictive rules and so they loosened them up again to what we have now.

I personally know one of the "49ers" and to this day the whole topic really upsets him.

Scoop

They had no trouble getting pilots to do GS's at time and half. The pay was changed to back to double pay as one of the improvements in the Joint Contract. As a practical matter there was very little time available to greenslip because of the reductions in flying. The exception was the summer of 08. Pilot tend to follow the manning levels. When they are high they jump on the open time and WS. When it gets low WS's drop off and GS's pick up. Inverse assignements still paid double and there were very few during the time period where you only got 1.5 for a GS. There would have been lots of IA's if the company was having trouble covering the flying.

acl65pilot 07-30-2010 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 847819)
So just curious, I got the recent flight ops email stating that 90 million dollars of the 2nd quarter profit has been set aside for profit sharing checks to be issued in February. Having never received a profit sharing check at delta I was wondering how that money is divided? Is that 90 mil just for the pilots or is that for all employee groups who get profit sharing?

Anyone?

It is in the PWA.

Section 3. I

If we are under a 2.5 billion dollar operating profit it is about 4% of your W2.

acl65pilot 07-30-2010 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 847896)
As a DN guy I am still not up to speed on the Duty Day. I know that we can be scheduled a max of 13.

When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?

When looking at the rotation that you printed at report, it is the duty that is the farthest right. The left one is planned actual and the one to the right of that is the max given our max duty day matrix. Contractually you can must go two hrs over the number to the right. That first two hrs requires no calls and if something that can be done without your consent. (Max 15 for domestic ops) It gets screwy internationally or on augmented crews but we can save that for another day.


And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
Yep PWA is more restrictive.


Soooo, if our max duty day is, let's say,....7 hours......are we then able to only go two hours above that, to 9 hours and go to the hotel?
That is the max based on the agreed upon duty day matrix.


Inquiring minds want to know....... recently during IROPS, crew tracking assumed that we were going to work up to the 16 hour duty day,...we pulled the plug at 14,.........
Of course they assume that, that is what works for them,and what is your FAR max, not PWA max. The PWA protections are there for you to use. You as a pilot have the right to invoke them or to go up to the FAR max for your given situation. (16 or starting compensatory within 24 hrs of starting a reduced rest period)

Ragtop Day 07-30-2010 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 847924)
Denny said something about GSWC. I assume that means Green Slip With Conflict. What advantage does that give you??

Carl

GSWC is the cherry. Say you have a four day starting on Monday, but sked NEEDS to cover a two day on Sunday. You would get paid GS pay for the two day that you actually flew plus get your conflicted four day dropped WITH PAY. In additon you are free to Ws or GS over the days that get dropped. Very rare but a big moneymaker.

Edit: It is only single pay for the GS rotation. Thanks to Denny Crane for correct contract reference.

forgot to bid 07-30-2010 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 847896)
As a DN guy I am still not up to speed on the Duty Day.

As a DS guy, I'm not either.

acl65pilot 07-30-2010 05:34 AM

It is rather simple if you read it in the PWA. Also it is automated and put right on your paring so in reality there is no need to understand it. Right number is what you can fly to, plus two hrs. Left number is actual if flown on time.

Whitlow is figured out on the top of the Preface that the gate agent gives you. It sometimes does not take in to account SC pilots on domestic duty. Most of the time it does.

acl65pilot 07-30-2010 05:42 AM

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Scoop 07-30-2010 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 847837)
Couple questions for the GS veterans:

1. I just was awarded a GS that put me 30/7 with a trip next month, which they dropped without pay. Was this correct?

2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time?

3. Who gets to decide when a payback day is used? Can I pick up a high time day trip with the ability to later place my pb day on top of it? If I do this, will the dropped credit count towards the GS trigger?

I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down.


Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance :D


LL,

To further clarify the GS situation, your interpretation of number 2 above is correct, but incomplete. If you ever find yourself short of the GS trigger and subsequently get a GS, be sure to take up to 5 hours from your bank and apply it to your monthly credit. Yes, you are allowed to go negative in your bank to do this.

If you did that for your situation above you would have 70 hours of credit, 5 hours of single pay GS getting you to the GS, and trigger and 15 hours of 2.0 GS pay.

Note - 5 hours is the maximum that can be applied to fill-up to the GS trigger, which makes the GS trigger 70 hours for all practical purposes.

Also, if in the above example say after you did your 5 hour bank withdrawal you pick up a white-slip for 15 hours - your bank withdrawal will automatically be lowered to get you exactly to a full month with no more.

I went through this exact scenario this month. I went negative 5 in the bank, but then picked up a WS. My bank withdrawal was automatically lowered from 5 to around 2 which put me at exactly 82 hours and the whole GS was 2.0 pay. :)

Scoop

Denny Crane 07-30-2010 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 847917)
Hey you, non-commuter. What are you going to do with all that extra time now that you don't have to spend an extra 2-4 days a month on an airplane or away from home? I'm jealous. Congrats, Denny! :D

Thanks NewK! I'm going to sit out on my deck and drink mint juleps in the "liquid sunshine" during the winter!!:D

Denny

Denny Crane 07-30-2010 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 847924)
Denny said something about GSWC. I assume that means Green Slip With Conflict. What advantage does that give you??

Carl

Yes Carl that is exactly what it means. The is really no advantage above anything else other than you get paid for both trips. Say you have a 4 day trip on your line and you get a 2 day GSWC that goes into the first day of your 4 day. You fly the 2 day and get paid for both trips. Your 4 day now goes into open time and, if the company is still short of pilots, it will go out as another GS, GSWC, IA, or IAWC.

When we had the "Express" operation down in MCO, I think guys were not bidding GS's but were bidding GSWC,s. It kept the pot turning and they made alot of money. At least this is what I heard. It's great in theory but almost everyone has to do it to get it to work.

Denny


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