I hope you're right.

What does cross-pollination have to do with what we're talking about here? The subject is procedures, who wrote these procedures and how do we get to best practices. All the training and check airmen that I'm exposed to are training procedures that are completely different than what we were using. We were the airline that was the world-wide launch customer for the 747-400 and set the standard for operating this airplane. Delta never operated the airplane. But it was Delta that completely revamped the flight operation of this airplane. The line pilots, check airmen and training pilots are all doing our level best to learn the Delta way operating the 747-400. But it leaves you scratching your head a lot.

Carl

Go to the website and read some of the recent mandatory bulletins. Then talk to me about how "great" it works both ways. Nobody agrees with that comment right now. The only question is, what do we do about it.

Carl

Yawn. Anybody hear the latest and greatest about Delta? Please tell me this isn't it.

NICE.... :D

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Its on the checklist (twice I think) if they aren't moved. But I dont disagree with you Carl, I would have especially found a SOP - type document very useful after coming to DAL from the military.

Yep, Waive off the ground crew. Look to the flap handle. FO moves the flaps to takeoff position. Clear of the ramp area flight control check double checking flap position. Taxi Check list. Triple check flaps in TO position, Takeoff checklist one last check flaps are in TO position.
The trigger at Delta to lower the flaps is the waive off. Both systems have a trigger its just different.

Delta also had different procedures then NW in other situations regarding flaps. As a example Delta taxied and deiced flaps up. NW did it flaps down in snow and ice conditions. Most airlines deice flaps up. In Moscow they will not even deice a aircraft with the flaps down. We adopted the NW method however I was still able to leave Moscow because I knew as a Captain at Delta I had the authority to put the flaps to up to deice. The choice was that or stay until spring. I prefer to have some authority and choice.

No, the NWA system had a command...not a trigger. We felt this item too important to occur via a silent trigger.

Given the recent mandatory memo, I'm surprised that anyone is still defending the current system. I'll bet the regulators won't defend it. We'll see.

Carl

Great point!

Just think, if the people on here were to spend as much time and energy trying to improve Delta by coming up with solutions than having a p1ssing contest how much better would work be? Its up to us to find out.

I think this has been a good discussion on both sides. Solutions are being offered...you're just not listening. Time and energy is what is required to make change.

This thread would improve if people like you would stop referring to substantive discussions as "p1ssing contests." Wise up.

Carl

Wise up? Hmmm.

Are the solutions being offered here, or are you personally going forward with ideas and solutions to the people who can get things changed? Seems to me there is a lot of the first and not much of the latter around these parts.