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Guys,

If you get tired of fighting the 2008 version of North vs. South, I recommend the 1863 version. The technology and processes were so superior on the North side that the South didn't have a chance.

The Southern boys have been sharpshooters but they sure weren't standardized. And the North, they may have had technological superiority, but they couldn't adopt very quickly to a changing environment.

Oh wait, why are we even still arguing about history? I agree you must know your history to avoid repeating mistakes, but why keep arguing about it?

Scoop:confused:

BigGuns

07-31-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 848736)

Here's the problem: Since there's no command, what happens if the captain doesn't notice that you didn't move the flaps uncommanded? This double distraction scenario is exactly why the industry has moved towards commands and responses. With our operation, this important system activation is entirely silent.

Recent events should give you and all of us pause about the wisdom of this current policy. I know you know which ones I'm talking about.

Carl

Well Carl in that case it would have to be not a double distraction, but a quintuple distraction. If you have missed the first two, you would have to miss it on the TAXI CHECKLIST, then agian on the BEFORE T/O CHECKLIST and the T/O CONFIG WARNING would have to fail before you t/o with out flaps.

acl65pilot

07-31-2010 07:23 PM

FtB;
It is just the way of the scheduling world these days.

I had a SC trip recently that they never called me for. It was about eight hrs after it was assigned to me, and nope, never got a call.

Xray678

07-31-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 848745)

to add on to that, if the captain can't notice that the flaps are not set before taking off......checklist or not, then he/she is an incompetent fool who should not be in a control seat at a major airline.

All the standard SOPA/SMAC procedures in the world will not cover up for a weak pilot. Bad pilots will make mistakes no matter how standard your procedures are.

Procedures should allow for some flexibility. If you need a bunch of overly rigid procedures to protect your ass, you are in the wrong business.

forgot to bid

07-31-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 848743)

So, let me get this straight, the north guys are going to burn the place to the ground. Is that what you're saying Scoop? :D And if that becomes the case we're going to end up with Northerners retiring in the south and Southerners in the north, just like 140 years ago.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 848749)

FtB;
It is just the way of the scheduling world these days.

I had a SC trip recently that they never called me for. It was about eight hrs after it was assigned to me, and nope, never got a call.

Thats an odd one.

Ferd149

07-31-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 848750)

Procedures should allow for some flexibility. If you need a bunch of overly rigid procedures to protect your ass, you are in the wrong business.

Yet another guy who never flew with us making a value judgment from something he was told by another guy who never flew with us. Thanks for playing:rolleyes:

iceman49

07-31-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 848750)

Standardized procedures helps to prevent problems for the lowest common denominator...and at some time we all fit into that category, sometimes several times a day. No one flies a perfect flight.

Ferd149

07-31-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 848743)

I love it!! But, just to be on the record, I won't wear the civil war era hat or eat hardtack:D

Ferd149

07-31-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 848755)

No one flies a perfect flight.

Speak for yourself:D

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