Actually, I don't buy into "you got a pay raise, so shush" or "we're all Delta pilots, so sit down and color like the rest"...

I rejected my borg implants. Sorry....

Nu

I know you don't. I don't agree with that premise either, nor do many on here. It's the way you present it.

I agree with many of your points except now you're just coming accross as a whiner.

Heyas Clamp,

Yup. Myself and other DALN guys have seen that label thrown around quite a bit. Which is the crux of the problem.

Waves was asking "why all the moaning, after all, you got a pay raise, right?". NewK, Ferd, Keen, myself and others have been attempting to tell him why.

Of course, I get complaints for simply saying I like the direction of the MEC, so it appears as if it's impossible to win no matter what people say. Unless it's the party line, or if it's not the party line.

Nu

Not just a label when you do the same thing every couple of days.

I don't favor the north or the south guys on this forum, and I do not withhold judgement on people making fools of themselves on either side. You know that.

That's OK...we only hear "you guys got a pay raise" every couple of days from Waves. Now that he's been politely corrected, I can go back to lurking.

Nu

I do give him a bit of the benefit of the doubt- he's an FNG to this place where people are generally well informed and was living in a -S cacoon where that rhetoric can take hold. I've had to gently educate a number of guys in the cockpit in the same way.

He's getting up to speed slowly on this thread. Let's give the noob some appropriate hazing without going all 16 year old troll on the guy. :)

I quoted you before I saw your edit a couple posts up: If you remember, myself and a few others jumped on waves. The usual unionoid suspects jumped on and stirred the pot again. It was very nice seeing newK and ferd jump back in despite it... just hasn't been the same without them.

Overall, I hate the drama. That crap does nothing but divide and put emotion into a place where emotion should not be welcome. I want solutions and not rhetoric... from both sides.


In other news, I'll have some good rumors and such sometime this week... kool-aid meeting 2010 begins in about 12 hours... Here's to good news!

I think it would be very difficult to have our pay based on something other than aircraft type. It is engrained in the way we have been living our careers from day 1. To change now would cause a huge shift in positions and huge training cost. It is easy for those of you that are new here to seek a new way to come up with pay, but for those who have lived 20-30 years under the current system, it would be a hard pill to swallow. People have positioned themselves in bases, bought homes, and pretty much have planned their lives around what aircraft can be flown and what it pays. To change that changes almost everything.

I agree that a mistake was made with respect to 747 pay and now we will have to live with it. I'm not sure how the DAL pay rates are calculated, but at brand x we had a formula based on production. Therefore, a 747 pilot was more productive than a 9 pilot due to the size of load in passengers and cargo. Seems DAL is along these lines as well but would like to hear how your or our rates have been determined in the past.

You would have a huge argument on your hands to try and increase the 74 pay because it would be labeled an increase for a small segment of the group whereas had it been done in the beginning it would not have been viewed that way. We had a big kadu over trying to keep 2 capt postions on the plane and alot of junior guys were ticked about that battle long ago. Hopefully we do not have to fight that battle again in the future on the 777, 330, and 747 for trips over 12. That was a win for us from the DAL work rules. There ya go, had something good to say.;)

Any rumors or news out there on fleet migration. Seems like it went pretty well in the Pacific.:)

Agreed all the way around... and props for something good to say. :D

I was shocked that it had gone to 1 CA and 3 FO for over 12. That was just a travesty. Just a few short years ago, NWA required 2 CA and 1 FO for anything over 8. I was appalled at DL doing 1 CA and 2 FO when I first heard about it. Imagine if we staffed CA positions like that the amount of upgrades that would create. Guys that "could never" be a widebody captain here would all of a sudden have it in their grasp again. Ah...the old school.


As far as the rates... to me it just makes sense to group them in such a manner. I don't have the specific formula, but it's logical that something that holds 405 will produce more than something that holds in the 280s.