Yes. If a guy doesn't want to fly 14+ hour legs, but wants to be a Delta captain; He should be paid as a Delta captain....Rate subject to his longevity with the company. Passengers deserve the most experienced pilots in command when they fly on a Delta flight. (Shoulder pads and helmet on for that one, but I stand by it.)

I am inclined to go with a broader category setup like F16dude mentioned (ala FDX).

Just remember, it doesn't cost the company anything in extra in pay if you make E170 captains the highest paid and the 777 pilots lowest paid. As long as the block/credit hours flown are the same as the 777 pilots, you can set up the rates any way you like and the cost to the company is the same. Food for thought, and that food might be a CAN OF WORMS!!!:D

Thanks Slow, I was hoping you would bring that explaination out, because there are drawbacks like I mentioned.


Good night! I'll be here all this week and next.....Although I have posted WAY more than my normal amount, so I may go back to lurking for a while......

Heyas DAL,

Some of the other issues that the DAL N find annoying:

1) First, there are the economic issues. True there was a rate raise, but in so many other QoL areas, there has been a loss. Loss of SLI instructors, loss of the sick pay, and loss of a predictable OT system (since most NWA guys commute, the GS system is NOT readily available.)

2) There are a lot of non-economic issues that provide a constant irritation. I had a long drawn out example, but in the interest of brevity, I will only say that whole crew scheduling system operates a notch below to what most DAL N guys were used to as far as "solving problems with one or zero phone calls".

3) The constant bombardment with "gotchas". Just one example just popped up on the webboard. Positive space to training at NWA included to/from home to your OE trip. Ooops, now it doesn't. Seems like every time we turn around, there is something someone forgot to tell us, and that acts as a constant reminder of what "was" good in the NWA PWA and really makes us wonder what other boot is going to drop in the future.

All this stuff had the suspicion meter in the yellow. THEN you throw in the KW/Council 54/MOU 7/Grievance issues, and well, you can see where the angst comes from.

Fortunately, I think the reps have done an outstanding job of communicating these issues, and I think the proper corrections are being made. But thinking that the way things worked for the last 50 years will continue to work, is being a bit naive.

Nu

In pure theory, they get paid the same as a 747 driver, but they wouldn't get the intl. or night overrides (unless their flying contained legs like that).

I know that will never fly, anything taken to an extreme won't work.

Does anyone have the 73N walkaround slides? I'm in a place with a lousy internet connection, and doing them online through DeltaNet is painful. If someone would be kind enough to e-mail 'em to me, I can download them at an internet cafe with a decent connection and study them here in my BOQ room at my leisure.

Thanks. Please PM me for my e-mail address if you have them.:)

Again, an extreme. Determining payrates for flying = strike? I am having difficulty seeing the relevance.

I am hoping I never earn a "battle star", but I respect those who have.

How is that different that what we have today?:rolleyes:

Hmm.... I always forget that the most DAL N guys never got to vote on this CBA, and the ones that did barely voted in favor! :rolleyes:

Point well taken and let me add a hypothetical; even if the vote had passed by 50.1% on each side and even if we had conclusive evidence that everyone here had voted No, what would it matter? We'd be in the same place and that is discussing future options and not complaining about the past. Note: discussing future options could entail discussing the past as long as it is discussing and oriented to future options. Otherwise this thread, no matter how addictive, will lose it's high.

Personally, I'd be for the 73/small bus being on the same rate. Heck, throw the 90 and the 88 on there too.

The 744 absolutely should have a different pay rate as well... it hold's so much more than any of the other airplane, it is certainly in a category of its own.

The 9 in general is smaller than the others, that's logical as well to be a separate category. It also helps make a stronger economical argument to get a 100 seater on our list vice the arguments mgmt would make if we had that size aircraft grouped in with the 160 seaters.



Not a fan at all of single CA and FO pay lists.... not one bit. There are many reasons, and another was added tonight: scope recapture.

I know Mr. Itsnotcomingback wrote in the C44 Roar a few months ago that it's not going to happen, and I am very glad he's not sitting at the negotiating table for us. Yahoos with views like his don't need to be representing us.



Nu- why must you start up the same crap every couple evenings? Just when things have chilled out, you've got to go on another DAL-S sucks rant. Of course, now alfa is going to come back and tick every body else off with his response to yours.

It's a different operation and you're learning it now like a newhire- in fact got much better help than we had in newhire in many ways. There are going to be gotchas! Have beer and chill out.

Just trying to point out that we DO generate revenue......nothing more or less.

And I don't want you to have a battle star, cuz I don't want another one! In the big skeem of things, it wasn't that long between our strike (actually it was a lockout....we were still at the table when "they" walked out!) and 9/11. I'll bet'ch Mr Anderson wished he had all that cash that Mr Dasburg and Mr Wilson threw away "showing us who's boss" on 9/12.:mad:

But, that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it again if necessary.........walking a picket line with that zombie look on your face is about as much fun as you can have with your pants on:rolleyes:

Ferd