Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 790418)

Sorry, hoser, you're wrong. ATL is NOT more senior, SLC and LAX only marginally so. Bottom line: no one hired prior to 2007 got kicked out of those bases, except by choice. And if anyone hired in 2007+ bought a house that is now $100,000 under water, they were a fool.

Look, I have no problem with guys commuting. We have pilots living in TPA, JAX, TYS, CHS, PNS, -- none of which were EVER a pilot base at DAL or NWA. That's fine. That's their CHOICE. I just don't think we should have to move mountains to accommodate their personal choice. That's all. Every $ spent to accommodate the additional cost to the corporation, is one dollar less that can be paid to those of us that DID elect to move to one of the many cities DAL (or NWA) had a crew base in. If your base closes, I do sympathize, and I'd be more than willing to pay positive space for 5 years, until you can move. But for the majority of commuters, who live where they live simply because they want to, I don't like making less, so they can do that.

It could happen. But when I got hired by DAL, I moved to ATL. Figured it was the safest place to be to AVOID uprooting my family. So far, its worked. No guarantees for the future. I have no disdain for the commuter, hoser. What I DO have disdain for, is the entitlement mentality, that thinks the pilot group ought to pay the price so you can live in East Bumble, just cause you want to. NO other corporation tolerates that mentality, why do we? Both of my siblings have moved to where the job was, but somehow we think pilots should be different. There isn't a six figure job out there, where you can live in ANY city in the WORLD that you want, except ours. And I respect that right. But don't make me pay for it, and those who want all these concessions for commuters are asking for that very thing.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 790435)

I still stand by my calling in sick if the flights are full. I'm going to keep posting until pineapple responds. It makes me laugh how passionate he is about this issue.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 790379)

Gnewt, I can't stand it anymore. Why do you, or the countless others, think there will be MORE commuters in the future? There should be FEWER. Here's why: previously a DAL-S pilot had only 5 cities he could live in and not commute -- now he has 9. Similarly, previously a DAL-N pilot had only 5 cities he could live in and not commute -- now HE has 9. So more choices for ALL. More choices = less commuting.

What am I missing? And if you come up with the excuse that, because all the equipment is moving around to different bases, and people are chasing equipment, then I rest my case - commuting is a CHOICE!

Originally Posted by keenster (Post 790438)

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If not it will cost the company money not you.

Originally Posted by Gnewt (Post 790441)

What you're missing is that you're being South-centric. There is a whole new group of DAL pilots who commute and like the longer trips as a result. Pretty simple really. Not much to get upset about.

Gnewt

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 790401)

If someone wants 5-day trips, let them pattern bid and put together 2 and 3-day trips. This is very easy with PBS. In fact, you could build those trips so there are commutable legs on the front and back.

Originally Posted by Gnewt (Post 790447)

I would do that at NW if I had to. I tried not to do that so I could avoid the added hotel expense. Fewer nights in a hotel on my dime. A 27/28 hr 5 day worked out really well.

Gnewt

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 790443)

keenster, I was with you, right up until you made that comment. ANYTHING that costs the company money eventually costs ME money. That's just the way life works. I've talked to several former MEC reps who admitted all of the changes to our payrates in C2K would add additional burdens on our DB. "No sweat," they said, "that's the company's problem. They'll just have to fund it." Well, they had to.... until they didn't. And the rest is history.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 790445)

What does longer trips have to do with commuting? If they actually LIKE longer trips, they can still bid those and NOT commute. The only connection is that BECAUSE they CHOOSE to commute, they want the company to build longer trips to minimize the commute. Again, no problem with that, so long as those longer trips don't cost the company money -- meaning it costs ME money....

The game's on now -- signing off, except I'll wait patiently for Waves final solution...