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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 790416)
Additionally, I think we all should be intellectually honest with ourselves and realize the vast differences between someone getting a good nights rest at home and driving to work, compared to someone sleeping on the red-eye or in the crew lounge (which is what they're trying to prevent).
There are already enough divorces among pilots that try to keep their spouse near her parents, or the kids near their school. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 790379)
Gnewt, I can't stand it anymore. Why do you, or the countless others, think there will be MORE commuters in the future? There should be FEWER. Here's why: previously a DAL-S pilot had only 5 cities he could live in and not commute -- now he has 9. Similarly, previously a DAL-N pilot had only 5 cities he could live in and not commute -- now HE has 9. So more choices for ALL. More choices = less commuting.
What am I missing? And if you come up with the excuse that, because all the equipment is moving around to different bases, and people are chasing equipment, then I rest my case - commuting is a CHOICE! Gnewt |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 790379)
Gnewt, I can't stand it anymore. Why do you, or the countless others, think there will be MORE commuters in the future? There should be FEWER. Here's why: previously a DAL-S pilot had only 5 cities he could live in and not commute -- now he has 9. Similarly, previously a DAL-N pilot had only 5 cities he could live in and not commute -- now HE has 9. So more choices for ALL. More choices = less commuting.
What am I missing? And if you come up with the excuse that, because all the equipment is moving around to different bases, and people are chasing equipment, then I rest my case - commuting is a CHOICE! I've been reading this forum for quite awhile. I got into this racket for the money and the ability to live where ever I wanted. I didn't go to work at Delta, I went to work at Northwest and I've commuted for 16 years. Well the money sure as h%$ ain't there any more and according to PineappleGuy and others I'm supposed to live where it pleases him/them. It doesn't matter what the subject is, those of us from NWA are supposed to just shut up and be da%$ed! Having made this one post on the forum I'm going to do what others from NWA have done -- leave it. It is going to be a long, long time to retirement. |
Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 790394)
Pine, I don’t think that anyone will dispute the fact that commuting is a choice.
It is generally a choice, but it is not always as simple as one might think. Problem is, it’s a very difficult choice to uproot one’s family in order to chase around aircraft and the almighty $. Tradeoffs, base closures or changes, aircraft movement, scheduling changes, family ties, and a myriad of other so called choices factor into that decision tree. I do think you have a good point about more bases should equal less commuters, and I will agree, that commuting or not commuting is a choice, but it is a tough choice with many moving parts. For most families, it is not merely just a simple relocation. My example is a bit unusual, nevertheless, it is an example where commuting is somewhat mandatory. About 7 or 8 years ago, my FA wife wanted to move back from ATL to SLC. I told her that she would probably get SLC immediately, but it could be years before I get in. Results: I got in immediately and she is still commuting. I know this is an unusual example, but I’ll bet every commuter has a pretty good reason to commute. |
If you're working too hard or can't get to work due to our weak commuting policy, call in sick. ;)
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 790420)
How well do you think these (newly single) people will sleep in their new cozy beds, in-base, after their wives and kids fail to make the move so daddy could get his eight hours?
There are already enough divorces among pilots that try to keep their spouse near her parents, or the kids near their school. I'm just the messenger here. If you've seen the aviation Senate safety hearings, they were absolutely 100% against commuting. In fact, the families were shocked to learn how the two pilots in the Colgan accident spent their nights. I believe the Senators have directed the FAA to conduct a study on the effects of commuting pilots and fatigue. Now, you and I know what the effects are -- nothing beats a good nights rest in your home bed. Heck, there are nights when getting a good nights rest at a hotel can be challenging due to the noise. The wildcard is, we have no idea what the FAA is going to "find" during their study. People who commute should be prepared for the worst. The FAA could outlaw commuting. The companies should be prepared as well. They might need a lot of pilots real quick. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 790416)
There are airlines that do already provide rooms before crews start rotations. We might have to realize that this might become the cost of doing business. And as such, commuting might become a thing of the past because I certainly don't many companies providing rooms because someone commutes.
Additionally, I think we all should be intellectually honest with ourselves and realize the vast differences between someone getting a good nights rest at home and driving to work, compared to someone sleeping on the red-eye or in the crew lounge (which is what they're trying to prevent). I agree they are trying to stop the sleeping in the crew room or whatever - but that's pilots being idiots. I worked at COEX and flew a turboprop out of EWR and commuted from Florida. I was making very little - maybe $900 a month after taxes the first year? But I had a crashpad I was paying $160 a month for. Why? Because I was responsible and I knew that sleeping in the crew room would be silly. I didn't get into aviation to sleep in the crewroom and the next day fly a 16-hour duty day. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 790424)
Waves, actually, that's EXACTLY what most on tis board DO dispute. So DON'T do it! It's NOT worth it! I agree there is more to it. That's why I'll ALWAYS support a pilot's right to commute. I just don't want to pay for special accommodations to encourage the practice. That is a cost to the corporation, which ultimately comes out of my paycheck, to be blunt. And I've had enough people take chunks out of my paycheck already![/size][/font]
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Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 790431)
I think my response/rebuttal will trump everyone's on the commuting issue.
Glad to see you have all the answers. I thought I was the ONLY one who did!;) I'll wait for you to come down from the mountain with those stone tablets.... |
I still stand by my calling in sick if the flights are full. I'm going to keep posting until pineapple responds. It makes me laugh how passionate he is about this issue.
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