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scambo1 05-16-2010 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 812348)
Jsut a thought, but being on reseve, being in base this doesn't worry me much, but it would be REALLY nice if iCrew or eCrew had the capability in this day and age to send a text or email to you the minute something is added to your schedule. I know going from an off day to an on call day you have to check your schedule at 1500, but if the scheduler put a SC on at 1000 and you got a notification, that would give you more time to plan to get into position. Just think it would be an easy "setting" to implement and be benefitial to all.

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Even better, send you a text and book you a positive space seat from wherever you commute from.

Mem9guy 05-16-2010 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 812282)
Sure they can - where does it say that? It's that they can't have you report for a trip without a 24 hour break in the past 7 days.

This is what the scheduling alert says:

Important note: There is no requirement to place a day of rest on the seventh consecutive on-call day if no 24 hour rest in the past seven days can be found. As long as a pilot has 24 hours rest in seven days prior to reporting for domestic flight duty he is legal. When needed, such rest is placed on the pilot’s line at the time that a domestic trip is assigned. This has the effect of providing him at least 24 hours notice to a domestic reserve flying assignment if he cannot look back and find 24 hours rest in the preceding seven days.

Sounds to me like once you hit 7 days without a 24 hr break you now revert to long call with a 24 hr notice needed for any flying...

Superpilot92 05-16-2010 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 812340)
It looks like the way they are dealing with this is, if you are going to be assigned a trip after you have already been on reserve for 6 days they will have to release you for 24 hours before you report for that assigned trip. That will give you the 24 hr rest in the previous 7 consecutive days for look back.

but if they have you on call for 6+1 day then you're "working" 7 days without the 24 required designated rest. I believe you're saying that if they schedule you a trip on the 7th or 8th day that they'll give us 24 hours rest prior? Either way, that still has you responsible to the company for more than 7 days.

Point is that this is a very grey area that should be addressed for those affected. Delta is the only airline i've heard of that interprets this reg differently.

forgot to bid 05-16-2010 11:59 AM

From the NWA 2005 CBA:
12. D.5. Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR’s) 121.471(d) and 121.481(d) shall be applied as 24 consecutive hours off in a seven calendar day period. (Note: This application may change with future FAA interpretations of the FAR’s.)

Also from the Delta MEC Scheduling Alert on September 12, 2007:

DOMESTIC REST REQUIREMENTS
We have recently received a number of calls regarding FAR domestic rest requirements.
With normal, reduced and compensatory rest, this is probably the least understood part of
FAR 121.471, but is also one of the most important FAR’s for a pilot to understand.
Rest, as defined by the FAA, means having no present responsibility for work. In domestic
operations, the FAA also requires that the applicable rest requirements be applied to
reserve pilots. Therefore, time spent on long or short call in domestic operations, or
performing any duty for Delta, e.g., deadheading, is not rest for the purposes of domestic
flying. As a domestic reserve pilot, you cannot be made to call or answer a phone call or
beeper during a rest period, although you can voluntarily answer a call or make contact
with the Company. Also, a pilot on layover is not responsible to be contactable by the
company.

The language that governs FAR domestic rest requirements may be found in FAR 121.471 as
follows:

§ 121.471 Flight Time Limitations and Rest Requirements: All Flight
Crewmembers
(b) Except as provided....

...In plain English, this means that before accepting a domestic flight assignment, a pilot must
be able to look back 24 hours from the scheduled completion of each flight segment and find a
legally scheduled “normal” or “reduced” rest period within the previous 24 hours. The rest
period must be in accordance with the table below. If the rest is reduced rest, then within 24
hours from the beginning of the reduced rest, the pilot must be given a compensatory rest
period, the length of which also depends on the amount of scheduled flight time as shown in
the table. Under no circumstances may a flight crewmember receive less than an 8-hour rest
within a 24-hour period.

forgot to bid 05-16-2010 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 812358)
but if they have you on call for 6+1 day then you're "working" 7 days without the 24 required designated rest. I believe you're saying that if they schedule you a trip on the 7th or 8th day that they'll give us 24 hours rest prior? Either way, that still has you responsible to the company for more than 7 days.

Point is that this is a very grey area that should be addressed for those affected. Delta is the only airline i've heard of that interprets this reg differently.

Super, Coex did this to me once and gave me 24 hours off from day 6 to 7, and then had me work the 7th. I remember thats when I learned it wasn't a calendar day off but 24-hours off.

Superpilot92 05-16-2010 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812359)
From the NWA 2005 CBA:
12. D.5. Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR’s) 121.471(d) and 121.481(d) shall be applied as 24 consecutive hours off in a seven calendar day period. (Note: This application may change with future FAA interpretations of the FAR’s.)

Also from the Delta MEC Scheduling Alert on September 12, 2007:

DOMESTIC REST REQUIREMENTS
We have recently received a number of calls regarding FAR domestic rest requirements.
With normal, reduced and compensatory rest, this is probably the least understood part of
FAR 121.471, but is also one of the most important FAR’s for a pilot to understand.
Rest, as defined by the FAA, means having no present responsibility for work. In domestic
operations, the FAA also requires that the applicable rest requirements be applied to
reserve pilots. Therefore, time spent on long or short call in domestic operations, or
performing any duty for Delta, e.g., deadheading, is not rest for the purposes of domestic
flying.
As a domestic reserve pilot, you cannot be made to call or answer a phone call or
beeper during a rest period, although you can voluntarily answer a call or make contact
with the Company. Also, a pilot on layover is not responsible to be contactable by the
company.

The language that governs FAR domestic rest requirements may be found in FAR 121.471 as
follows:

§ 121.471 Flight Time Limitations and Rest Requirements: All Flight
Crewmembers
(b) Except as provided....

...In plain English, this means that before accepting a domestic flight assignment, a pilot must
be able to look back 24 hours from the scheduled completion of each flight segment and find a
legally scheduled “normal” or “reduced” rest period within the previous 24 hours. The rest
period must be in accordance with the table below. If the rest is reduced rest, then within 24
hours from the beginning of the reduced rest, the pilot must be given a compensatory rest
period, the length of which also depends on the amount of scheduled flight time as shown in
the table. Under no circumstances may a flight crewmember receive less than an 8-hour rest
within a 24-hour period.


this .

forgot to bid 05-16-2010 12:12 PM

From when scheduling calls:

Note that this is a fl ight limitation. A pilot may fl y for 6 days and train
or deadhead on the 7th day. A reserve pilot may be on call for any
number of consecutive days, but must have been released from telephone
responsibilities for 24 hours at some point in the past 7 days prior to
reporting for domestic flight duty.

forgot to bid 05-16-2010 12:13 PM

Forgive me super, I'm just posting everything I can find that mentions it. Just sticking up on a "board" so we can look at it.

Superpilot92 05-16-2010 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812360)
Super, Coex did this to me once and gave me 24 hours off from day 6 to 7, and then had me work the 7th. I remember thats when I learned it wasn't a calendar day off but 24-hours off.

exactly, it doesnt have to be a Calendar day off, but you Must have a 24 hour period off. NWA would tag us from time to time and give us our break from noon to noon which would make it tough to go home. Most of the time it'd be a calendar day so we could get released early on day 6, be home that night and all day on day 7 before going back on call.


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812364)
From when scheduling calls:

Note that this is a fl ight limitation. A pilot may fl y for 6 days and train
or deadhead on the 7th day. A reserve pilot may be on call for any
number of consecutive days, but must have been released from telephone
responsibilities for 24 hours at some point in the past 7 days prior to
reporting for domestic flight duty.


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 812365)
Forgive me super, I'm just posting everything I can find that mentions it. Just sticking up on the "board" so we can look at it.

No problem, thanks for doing the footwork. My only point is that they have to give a 24 hour break and guys need to realize this fi DAL is going to start doing blocks of more than 6 days.

capncrunch 05-16-2010 12:17 PM

Once the AE closes, how long till we get the results?


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