Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-13-2010 | 03:29 PM
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I was told by the AWABS Help Desk at OCC that the wind updates will be exactly the same as they initial winds loaded into the Flight Plan. I havent been able to verify it because if the Flight Plan FAILS to upload (3 for 3 so far) then a Wind Update request gives you an error message.
We are used to working off one Flight Plan and 2 copies of the Release. Gave each guy something to write on 
I actually requested a copy of the ICAO strip from Dispatch, it was much easier to find all the info I wanted on a 5 line printout rather than dig thru a 3 page HOWGOZIT. I agree that MOST of the same info is there in AWABS, but at DAL-N we are used to finding most things on the release or FLight Plan.
Also noticed the coordinates for FIR boundaries were not listed on Westbound HNL-Asia. On the P-1 Chart that is a required manual CPDLC report. In reality, if you miss the report, Tokyo rarely notices, but its still required according to Jepp.
DAL-N flight plan at each waypoint there were spaces to record pertinent info for each waypoint crossing, you could either fill in or leave blank what you felt was necessary and you could read a HF position report from left to right verbatim. Haven't found that true of AWABS, no room to write Next Mandatory Reporting Point ETA, Following point, spot winds, OAT and turb code. Old flight plan also had TROP info on waypoint line, didnt have to dig it out of the Wind Data page printout. We did have a Wind Data Summary similar to AWABS, just seems like we had more info available on just the Flight Plan and Release without having to dig int other parts of the paper stack.
Well, Im still waiting for my first successful Flight Plan uplink. On my flights to date, AWABS has removed all the automated TO and LDG numbers, required manual entry of Flight Plan and enroute winds, and required Voice ATIS at some stations.
Also had one airport where an intersection takeoff is the norm, but WDR didn't have the data for that intersection.
Hoping for better luck on leg number 4.
Also had one airport where an intersection takeoff is the norm, but WDR didn't have the data for that intersection.
Hoping for better luck on leg number 4.
04-13-2010 | 03:30 PM
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04-13-2010 | 03:31 PM
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Double digit revenue spike this year. Lets hope oil does not play a spoiler like it did in years past.
04-13-2010 | 03:32 PM
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When I returned, I pulled up the load and saw that business class was wide open. I got to the airport and asked if I could upgrade with miles. The agent said;'Oh...(sucking teeth sound) you can not upgrade on a Q class ticket'. I showed my NWA ID and said, I'm also a NWA pilot. She thought for a second and replied once more...'Oh...(sucking teeth sound) you can not upgrade on a Q class ticket'.
Japan. Land of the no plan B.
04-13-2010 | 03:48 PM
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That is one nice thing I have seen here in ATL. Mil ID card for our guys going home, space avail have a seat, Black Passport, have a seat! 
04-13-2010 | 03:51 PM
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Heyas Denny,
There is more to it. You can't simply read the contract language and say that an issue is black and white. You need to look at what the notes that were taken during the negotiations as well as looking at "past practice".
Over on the north side, grievances were won and lost by what the negotiator's notes said and what past practice was, which, at times, was completely different than what was spelled out in the working agreement.
I've seen seemingly "no win" grievances pay up serious $$, while other "home run" grievances be decided completely in the company's favor.
That's why you take EVERYTHING to bat. You never know how it's going to go. AND that's why letting due process run it's course is so important.
This is really is a no-lose scenario, which is why the stonwalling makes everyone up north so suspicous. Take it to arbitration, you lose, and you can say the procedure was followed, and due process was given. You win, and some pilots get a nice bonus check.
But to actively stonewall the process and side with management against pilots that are constantly reminded that "we all one group now", to the point where a loyal contract admin, who would NEVER say anything about a sitting MEC chair, stands up and cries foul, makes a lot of people really, really wonder about what the heck is going on.
I'll say it again for emphasis: What is the harm in allowing this, and the few remaining northside grievances run their course?
Nu
There is more to it. You can't simply read the contract language and say that an issue is black and white. You need to look at what the notes that were taken during the negotiations as well as looking at "past practice".
Over on the north side, grievances were won and lost by what the negotiator's notes said and what past practice was, which, at times, was completely different than what was spelled out in the working agreement.
I've seen seemingly "no win" grievances pay up serious $$, while other "home run" grievances be decided completely in the company's favor.
That's why you take EVERYTHING to bat. You never know how it's going to go. AND that's why letting due process run it's course is so important.
This is really is a no-lose scenario, which is why the stonwalling makes everyone up north so suspicous. Take it to arbitration, you lose, and you can say the procedure was followed, and due process was given. You win, and some pilots get a nice bonus check.
But to actively stonewall the process and side with management against pilots that are constantly reminded that "we all one group now", to the point where a loyal contract admin, who would NEVER say anything about a sitting MEC chair, stands up and cries foul, makes a lot of people really, really wonder about what the heck is going on.
I'll say it again for emphasis: What is the harm in allowing this, and the few remaining northside grievances run their course?
Nu
I don't agree with taking everything to bat. I think this attitude is a byproduct of the confrontational relationship between NWAlpa and NWA management. In my view, the current working relationship between the pilots and management precludes pursuing grievances (taking everything to bat) this way. If you are unaware of it, take a look at LOA 6, the "Recovery Compact." Alot of fun was made of it but I do think it has influenced (in a good way) the way both sides have done business since it's inception. Also, by doing so the system gets clogged and then nobody's happy because it takes so long for anything to get resolved.
I'm a fan of the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" club but I'm also one who wants to "bring a gun to the knife fight" if necessary.
It's a no lose to the north guy because it's "business as usual" for you. I do not mean that in bad sense. Just that this is the way you are used to doing business. To the South guy this could indeed be a loss to the reputation of the Delta Pilot group among arbitrators in general and influence later grievances that might be more in question.
I also don't see it as "siding with Management" against pilots but more of a "it's right in the contract, we cannot win this argument why throw our reputation and money down the drain" attitude.
As far as pursuing this and the remaining Northside grievances, if that is what it takes to build unity then do it and clear them all up. But, in the future, don't use the "this causes disunity between pilot groups" argument because it won't hold water. (Not speaking to you in particular)
I'm not interested in throwing gasoline on the fire or making this a N/S issue, I'm just trying to give a different perspective. I'm just a line grunt with an opinion and we all know what opinions are like....................
Denny
04-13-2010 | 04:00 PM
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04-13-2010 | 04:08 PM
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Actually, the checklists are the first on the list and you will be seeing changes shortly.
I like some of your stuff that I have seen and I bet we adopt a lot of it. I do not want to get your hopes up, but they seem to like some of your planning software better.
I like some of your stuff that I have seen and I bet we adopt a lot of it. I do not want to get your hopes up, but they seem to like some of your planning software better.
04-13-2010 | 04:08 PM
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From: Kickin’ Back
I'm hoping we see the IT stuff etc. from the Northside in 3 years!Denny
04-13-2010 | 04:15 PM
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Damn, I don't know how Delta survived these last several decades without you guys. Thank you so much for saving us from our heretofore Neanderthal ways.
News flash: the merger happened. Get over it. If you have substantive criticism of policies and procedures, forward it to the appropriate people. I doubt you'll find that they agree with your conclusions that you've gone from the Jetsons to the Flintstones. In fact, if they did, they'd change things.
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