Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2008, 12:28 PM
#3461
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Position: Left, left, left right left....
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Did they ever do cockpit refurbs on those things or are they still baby sheet blue with peeling stuff everywhere? The backs looked really good but the cockpits looked terrible. I definitely don't mean this as a slam to my new coworkers and I can only speak for me but I've got more hours than I ever wanted in the -9 and will do anything I can to avoid getting any more. Widebody FOs with cushy jobs may be pussies but they're smart pussies unlike the guys tooling around 5 legs a day to places I wouldn't send my mother in law.
5 legs a day are pretty rare, if you do it's usually within a one state radius. It's all personal, and left seat in the sweat-hog is way better than right, and either seat at NWA/DAL is way better than an RJ, although by some of the comments you'd think some would prefer to be back on their boy-jets.
Also I don't think there will be displacements into the DC9 (Bastian/Haustein) said at NALPA MEC meeting no furloughs) and NWA pilots cannot bounce you out of sesat in normal bidding. Worst will be some stagnation, but most junior DAL pilots will fare far better down the road in 10, 15 yrs than their NWA counterparts.
Last edited by Fly4hire; 12-12-2008 at 12:33 PM.
12-12-2008, 12:29 PM
#3462
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,598
Originally Posted by InflightFx
Ralphie.....Looks like you have been at Delta less than 1 year .....One year and you consider yourself the voice of reason as you personally slam our bases and equipment.....Hoping you learn more in your 2nd year......
I fly the A330 out of DTW....I personally like the base/equipment/ & crews....I look forward to working with the new Delta and I am happy to be part of it all..........
I fly the A330 out of DTW....I personally like the base/equipment/ & crews....I look forward to working with the new Delta and I am happy to be part of it all..........
12-12-2008, 12:30 PM
#3463
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Moved up to the M88 from the 767
Posts: 193
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
Nice, Danny! I've been cracking my brains thinking what to write and you did a great job.
Point is - whatever it is you got to work it out and be happy. And NEVER bring it to work!
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Isn't it what we all told the psychologist during Delta interview!?
Point is - whatever it is you got to work it out and be happy. And NEVER bring it to work!
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Isn't it what we all told the psychologist during Delta interview!?
I understand the pre-merger NWA pilots being defensive about their bases and airplanes. Truly, I'll fly what I'm told to fly wherever I'm told to fly it with a smile. I think I'm more worried about furloughs than anything.
12-12-2008, 12:35 PM
#3464
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Moved up to the M88 from the 767
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Of course your happy, you have no chance of getting displaced off of the 330 and going to the -9 while a large group of our wide-body FO's will be displaced to the -9.
Notice how many responses I got when I called the -9 a bad word but nothing on the example of how displacements would favor the current -9 FOs.
Better just to let it go.
12-12-2008, 12:36 PM
#3465
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Ralphie,
There were plenty of comments from both sides of the aisle prior to the list coming out. They led to nothing but ill feelings on both sides. The arbitrators saw fit to come down with the decision that they did and there is nothing anyone can do about it now. It is water under the bridge/over the dam. Try to look at the glass as half full, you will lead a much more satisfying life. We all know what life is like on the bottom of the list and the uncertainty of being there......we were there once.
FWIW with the POO being what it is, I don't see the 9 going away until at least 2012. Hopefully the economy will be recovered by then and your position will be solidified by retirements and, dare I say, growth (at least replacement) aircraft.
Now........where is my Shirley doll.......mad cow kickin' in!!!
There were plenty of comments from both sides of the aisle prior to the list coming out. They led to nothing but ill feelings on both sides. The arbitrators saw fit to come down with the decision that they did and there is nothing anyone can do about it now. It is water under the bridge/over the dam. Try to look at the glass as half full, you will lead a much more satisfying life. We all know what life is like on the bottom of the list and the uncertainty of being there......we were there once.
FWIW with the POO being what it is, I don't see the 9 going away until at least 2012. Hopefully the economy will be recovered by then and your position will be solidified by retirements and, dare I say, growth (at least replacement) aircraft.
Now........where is my Shirley doll.......mad cow kickin' in!!!
12-12-2008, 12:37 PM
#3466
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by Ralphie
Say what you want, but my feelings and thoughts are pretty universal with the junior types I know at pre-merger Delta. I notice you don't see any of these type of comments or observations from the NWA side of the fence. Could it be that there is far less for them to be upset about? You've seen a lot of pre-merger Delta pilots complain about the comparative quality of jobs being brought to the marriage, but you don't see the same from the NWA side. Is that because it's just so much better of a group that they'd never resort to such pettiness or because in reality they have no such complaint?
Rise above the name calling, my new Delta brother, and get off of the junior vs. senior thing; it has no bearing on opinion and honest discourse. If you have some seniority and want to think of junior folks as second class citizens that's your call but it just makes you look like an ass.
Rise above the name calling, my new Delta brother, and get off of the junior vs. senior thing; it has no bearing on opinion and honest discourse. If you have some seniority and want to think of junior folks as second class citizens that's your call but it just makes you look like an ass.
Don't dare compare yourself to the many honorable junior pilots on our seniority list. You're not one of them.
Carl
12-12-2008, 12:52 PM
#3467
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A330/FO
Posts: 6
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Come back when you understand all of this........
I flown domestic (NB) for 12 years... and you..?
The A330 is not a protected aircraft....
And I would hope no one gets displaced from their seat ...Not even a New Hire who has his own view of entitlement....
Come back when you understand all of this........
I flown domestic (NB) for 12 years... and you..?
The A330 is not a protected aircraft....
And I would hope no one gets displaced from their seat ...Not even a New Hire who has his own view of entitlement....
12-12-2008, 01:11 PM
#3468
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Originally Posted by Ralphie
I notice you don't see any of these type of comments or observations from the NWA side of the fence. Could it be that there is far less for them to be upset about?
Last edited by capncrunch; 12-12-2008 at 01:26 PM.
12-12-2008, 01:24 PM
#3469
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Originally Posted by Ralphie
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Notice how many responses I got when I called the -9 a bad word but nothing on the example of how displacements would favor the current -9 FOs.
Better just to let it go.
Notice how many responses I got when I called the -9 a bad word but nothing on the example of how displacements would favor the current -9 FOs.
Better just to let it go.
I am very junior too.
Life is all about understanding the alternatives..
What's the alternative for DC-9 drivers displacing us? Not to move airplanes - no, that's the business, "they should have put us 3000 numbers higher on the list (because we belong to generation "success" who never worked for anything in their lives)" - no, not fair. ...
CVG76 pilots displacing CVG73 pilots? That's because they are more senior. How else would you suggest things should happen? Without telling our execs how to run the business in an empty airport.
What's the alternative in the F18 crash? Should have he stayed with the plane? He did the right thing to survive and fight another day and protect your and mine freedoms. And just because he is in the military he is a hero enough for me.
We got to think more about us as a group, not individually. Stay together and when time comes let's take a good contract.
It'll work out. DC-9 makes good pilots!
12-12-2008, 01:30 PM
#3470
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Position: 757 Left
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Also I don't think there will be displacements into the DC9 (Bastian/Haustein) said at NALPA MEC meeting no furloughs) and NWA pilots cannot bounce you out of sesat in normal bidding. Worst will be some stagnation, but most junior DAL pilots will fare far better down the road in 10, 15 yrs than their NWA counterparts.
I'm not junior but the predominant feeling is that a lot more fencing was required to let the dust settle without a wholesale disruption of lives. Especially on the 757/767, 76ER categories. We see displacements from larger equipment on the horizon as new categories come in, less pay, indefinitely delayed left seat upgrades, possible commuting etc. The biggest thread on the DALPA forum is titled "How badly did you get screwed?" Guys on both sides should be able to vent and hopefully move on from there.
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