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Old 04-22-2010 | 05:33 AM
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Here is another thought that I have been pondering and I am curious to see what the group thinks: (That is a warning)

I have been thinking about a few things in regard to our DCI flying. These FFD or Cost Plus contracts are a big money loser for DAL. We have a limit of 255 on 70/76 seat jets. DAL wants to modify these contracts.

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Lets say DAL management came to D-ALPA with a proposal to allow a certain number of 76 seat jets. That number could be anything up to the 255 allowable number now. I will not pick a specific number, just up to that number. In return they will cap DCI at 300-400 total aircraft. It is a hard number and cuts DCI in half for allowing at a max 102 more 76 seat jets.

What are your thoughts on this. It is a victory to control scope as well as a concession to allow more 76 seat jets. What do you think of it? My gut is telling me that something like this may be the next paper across the table.
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:33 AM
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Old 04-22-2010 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
Yesterday DL submitted a filing to the DOT asking to delay new China flights planned for 2010 for another year.

SEA-PEK delay start from 6/15/10 to 6/15/11
ATL-PVG delay start from 9/1/10 to 9/1/11

Don't have the link to the DOT filing, but the summary is listed here Daily Airline Filings - The Airline Regulatory Information Hub and subscribers can access the article.
I would say that there is some logic in this. I did see it.
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Here is another thought that I have been pondering and I am curious to see what the group thinks: (That is a warning)

I have been thinking about a few things in regard to our DCI flying. These FFD or Cost Plus contracts are a big money loser for DAL. We have a limit of 255 on 70/76 seat jets. DAL wants to modify these contracts.

So;
Lets say DAL management came to D-ALPA with a proposal to allow a certain number of 76 seat jets. That number could be anything up to the 255 allowable number now. I will not pick a specific number, just up to that number. In return they will cap DCI at 300-400 total aircraft. It is a hard number and cuts DCI in half for allowing at a max 102 more 76 seat jets.

What are your thoughts on this. It is a victory to control scope as well as a concession to allow more 76 seat jets. What do you think of it? My gut is telling me that something like this may be the next paper across the table.
That would kill the wholly owned carriers.
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:38 AM
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I know this belongs on the`AAI thread but I felt gross over there. If a furloughed Netjetter goes to AAI, do they make you give up your number?
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:43 AM
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I know I have had NJA guys ask me that about DAL.

I do not know if that would kill the WO or not. I just think that it may be a something similar to what we may see. It could also come with a commitment to keep X at the WO carriers. Doubtful though.
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
Yesterday DL submitted a filing to the DOT asking to delay new China flights planned for 2010 for another year.

SEA-PEK delay start from 6/15/10 to 6/15/11
ATL-PVG delay start from 9/1/10 to 9/1/11

Don't have the link to the DOT filing, but the summary is listed here Daily Airline Filings - The Airline Regulatory Information Hub and subscribers can access the article.
I guess further information is indicating they still want to do it 5 times a week, but sit on the other two frequencies till later.

I think this is what they've been advertising publicly anyway.

More than less ER in SEA is safe! =)
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Here is another thought that I have been pondering and I am curious to see what the group thinks: (That is a warning)

I have been thinking about a few things in regard to our DCI flying. These FFD or Cost Plus contracts are a big money loser for DAL. Good deal, let that fruit die on the vine. We have a limit of 255 on 70/76 seat jets. DAL wants to modify these contracts.

So;
Lets say DAL management came to D-ALPA with a proposal to allow a certain number of 76 seat jets. That number could be anything up to the 255 allowable number now. I will not pick a specific number, just up to that number. In return they will cap DCI at 300-400 total aircraft. It is a hard number and cuts DCI in half for allowing at a max 102 more 76 seat jets.

What are your thoughts on this. It is a victory to control scope as well as a concession to allow more 76 seat jets. What do you think of it? My gut is telling me that something like this may be the next paper across the table.
Here are my thoughts. If they want to change it, it is because its not working. If its not working then that is good for us. The system will implode on itself if we dont allow them to adjust it and make it successful.
Old 04-22-2010 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Maybe because the external air wasn't hooked up? They are usually quick to hoop up power, but not air north of the MDL.

I've noticed that there seems to be a marked difference in cultures between keeping the cabin cool for pax boarding/unboarding, and that our brothers from the lower latitudes seems to have less of an issue with having no air and cabin temps into the 80's. Comfortable pax are happy pax.....

I could maybe see this for the DC9, but that's it. Every other fleet should have no problem leaving the APU OFF if the aircraft is 20+ mins from departure in our current weather. It hasn't even got warm yet, except for some 70-80 degree days in the Midwest.
Old 04-22-2010 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

So;
Lets say DAL management came to D-ALPA with a proposal to allow a certain number of 76 seat jets. That number could be anything up to the 255 allowable number now. I will not pick a specific number, just up to that number. In return they will cap DCI at 300-400 total aircraft. It is a hard number and cuts DCI in half for allowing at a max 102 more 76 seat jets.

What are your thoughts on this. It is a victory to control scope as well as a concession to allow more 76 seat jets. What do you think of it? My gut is telling me that something like this may be the next paper across the table.
If DCI had 102 more 70 seat jets, that put them at 357 jets, right? Not sure DAL would want only 43 50 seat RJ's. I do see where you're going with this though and it makes for an interesting scenario.

The 76 seat Jet at DCI directly takes jobs from mainline imo. I could care less how many 34 seat props, 40 and 50 seat jets that Delta has. Those aircraft inherently have a hard time competing with mainline jobs. So while it would be nice to "Cap" DCI flying I am very much against giving up any additional scope to DCI especially the 70 seat and above flying. At some point that 70 seat jet line has to stop creeping higher.

My thoughts on this? I won't vote for ANYTHING that gives up even 1 more 70 seat jet to DCI. I've been junior at Delta long enough, not really looking to prolong the pain.
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