Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-30-2010 | 05:40 PM
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If you look at the tone of the discussion, we're pretty much on the same page in acknowledging there is another way. I don't want to change things just for the hell of it, or because some people are vocal about their prefernces.
I haven't seen a post lately about how you have to accept the way things are "just because". We're all getting used to the fact there actually been, you know, a merger. Nobody thinks you can steamroll 40% of the group, or ignore their wishes.
What I want is good, intelligently run cockpits, and good, intelligent discussions. I don't live my life based on "colors", or "books", and I sure as hell don't want to be labeled in terms of a point on the compass. I want to fly the aircraft as best I can, and then I want to go home. It's that simple.
04-30-2010 | 05:42 PM
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Agreed. The only question is who makes the choice.
I submit the lines pilots will be the best judges of what the line pilots want. Therfore, the only way is for pilots to talk this stuff over, agree, and lobby together for the changes they want.
Otherwise, all you're doing is lobbying Flt Ops to pick a winner based on the analysis of the 40%, hoping they rule in your favor. The 60%, meanwhile, will not be part of the discussion.
The only way you respect everyone's opinion is to involve everyone. I've never flown with a FNWA guy. I don't know how you want to do things, nor do I know why you want them done that way. Because only a very small fraction of us have in fact worked together, I know there is no consensus on Best Practices. There can't possibly be.
I submit the lines pilots will be the best judges of what the line pilots want. Therfore, the only way is for pilots to talk this stuff over, agree, and lobby together for the changes they want.
Otherwise, all you're doing is lobbying Flt Ops to pick a winner based on the analysis of the 40%, hoping they rule in your favor. The 60%, meanwhile, will not be part of the discussion.
The only way you respect everyone's opinion is to involve everyone. I've never flown with a FNWA guy. I don't know how you want to do things, nor do I know why you want them done that way. Because only a very small fraction of us have in fact worked together, I know there is no consensus on Best Practices. There can't possibly be.
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error. That will probably be debated. Yes everyone needs input and to understand possible changes. Bottom line is that whatever is looked at needs to be an improvement or forget it. I do not want everything to go to the NWA way that would be nuts and you guys would go crazy. No need to put us all through the ringer again. I think that we are talking about a tweek here and a tweek there. I think alot of things will improve anyway with IT improvements. We lost about 50-60% of our ACARS functions, nothing to do with porcedures just programming and vendor options.
With all that said hopefully they are really looking at the things acl is talking about and we do get a better operation for all of us.
04-30-2010 | 05:51 PM
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From: LAX ERA
Sink,
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error. That will probably be debated. Yes everyone needs input and to understand possible changes. Bottom line is that whatever is looked at needs to be an improvement or forget it. I do not want everything to go to the NWA way that would be nuts and you guys would go crazy. No need to put us all through the ringer again. I think that we are talking about a tweek here and a tweek there. I think alot of things will improve anyway with IT improvements. We lost about 50-60% of our ACARS functions, nothing to do with porcedures just programming and vendor options.
With all that said hopefully they are really looking at the things acl is talking about and we do get a better operation for all of us.
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error. That will probably be debated. Yes everyone needs input and to understand possible changes. Bottom line is that whatever is looked at needs to be an improvement or forget it. I do not want everything to go to the NWA way that would be nuts and you guys would go crazy. No need to put us all through the ringer again. I think that we are talking about a tweek here and a tweek there. I think alot of things will improve anyway with IT improvements. We lost about 50-60% of our ACARS functions, nothing to do with porcedures just programming and vendor options.
With all that said hopefully they are really looking at the things acl is talking about and we do get a better operation for all of us.
) just kidding Mr Mods.......don't foul me bro
.Seriously, dead on post Keenster! +1
04-30-2010 | 05:58 PM
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Sink,
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error.
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error.
I was sorely dissapointed when I came to DL and saw that we had memory items. How very regional of them.... Even pinnacle has a red border checklist now!
04-30-2010 | 06:00 PM
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04-30-2010 | 06:03 PM
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OK.. who resurrected all this my side-your side crap again? Good friggin grief.
04-30-2010 | 06:04 PM
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04-30-2010 | 06:10 PM
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04-30-2010 | 06:13 PM
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04-30-2010 | 06:16 PM
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I like this discussion. We are all agreeing and no one is bad mouthing the group think!
See there is a reason they are using our pilot group (not pilot groups) as a template for future mergers.
Anyone notice that CAL/UAUA want a stake in the company with a merger. Got that one from OUR MEC!
See there is a reason they are using our pilot group (not pilot groups) as a template for future mergers.
Anyone notice that CAL/UAUA want a stake in the company with a merger. Got that one from OUR MEC!
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