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Old 04-30-2010 | 06:17 PM
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Old 04-30-2010 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Sink,
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error. That will probably be debated. Yes everyone needs input and to understand possible changes. Bottom line is that whatever is looked at needs to be an improvement or forget it. I do not want everything to go to the NWA way that would be nuts and you guys would go crazy. No need to put us all through the ringer again. I think that we are talking about a tweek here and a tweek there. I think alot of things will improve anyway with IT improvements. We lost about 50-60% of our ACARS functions, nothing to do with porcedures just programming and vendor options.

With all that said hopefully they are really looking at the things acl is talking about and we do get a better operation for all of us.
I agree with most of what you said. A lot of the smaller items, and the IT items in particular, wirll help. On the issues of more substance, there's not been any winner because there's not been a closure to the discussion. The process that was chosen, from what I understand was this "adopt-and-go". From Delta's perspective, and the FAA's, and my own, we cross-polinate, then we debate. Everything Dixon puts out is centered around this theme, so it's not as if the company is fighting us.

I'm actually glad the company went for what's expedient, because it's also what gets us mixing sooner. That allows for the best kind of debate, and the best kind of procedures: those that line pilots push through. Had a few wise-men in their ivory tower struck deals, and reached compromises on all procedures upfornt, neither one of us would have been involved. As it stands now, the process sucks for you because you will have to come our way before we find a common (third) way, but at least nothing was set in stone. No artificial compromise was reached that would pi$$ off 100% of the people, and no significant changes were made that failed to involve the 60%. The process did, however, drive the 40% nuts, as they try to make sense of things that are only consistent... with each other. As part of a system.

The company says we will find best practices. I want best practices. And you sure aren't going to rest until we find them. So we will all get our say. I honestly believe we will figure this out.
Old 04-30-2010 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I agree with most of what you said. A lot of the smaller items, and the IT items in particular, wirll help. On the issues of more substance, there's not been any winner because there's not been a closure to the discussion. The process that was chosen, from what I understand was this "adopt-and-go". From Delta's perspective, and the FAA's, and my own, we cross-polinate, then we debate. Everything Dixon puts out is centered around this theme, so it's not as if the company is fighting us.

I'm actually glad the company went for what's expedient, because it's also what gets us mixing sooner. That allows for the best kind of debate, and the best kind of procedures: those that line pilots push through. Had a few wise-men in their ivory tower struck deals, and reached compromises on all procedures upfornt, neither one of us would have been involved. As it stands now, the process sucks for you because you will have to come our way before we find a common (third) way, but at least nothing was set in stone. No artificial compromise was reached that would pi$$ off 100% of the people, and no significant changes were made that failed to involve the 60%. The process did, however, drive the 40% nuts, as they try to make sense of things that are only consistent... with each other. As part of a system.

The company says we will find best practices. I want best practices. And you sure aren't going to rest until we find them. So we will all get our say. I honestly believe we will figure this out.
I have to agree. I think that you will find a highly professional group of guys over here not any different than the bulk of your guys. Part of our problems stem from entirely different clultures. This to will change as we blend cultures together as well. It will take time, but 3-4 years from now this will all be history.
Old 04-30-2010 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
So why do we need to give DAL a loan? !/2 guarantee is fair...don't ya think?
Yea, I do. Not sure how hard it is to get Mother Delta to change something they've been doing forever (status quo is a powerful thing). Not something I give a whole lot of thought to - been under this system my whole career and doesn't really matter that some of my paycheck may be delayed a couple weeks (another Stockholm syndrome victim).
Old 04-30-2010 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
How long between WWO completion and OE trip?
I was initial qual on the 75/76, so had one day short of a month off between WWO and my domestic OE trip, then another 20 days off before first TOE trip.
Old 04-30-2010 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
It is just fitting in the 73N that proves interesting, especially for FO's. (Seat does not travel as far back at the Captain's)

Avionics are great (except for VNAV descents which I don't think they'll ever fix). If you can't fly instruments on that display, you can't fly!

If it was a little roomier, a little quieter and SWA hadn't crippled the overhead for common type, it would be the best.
Old 04-30-2010 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
Avionics are great (except for VNAV descents which I don't think they'll ever fix). If you can't fly instruments on that display, you can't fly!

If it was a little roomier, a little quieter and SWA hadn't crippled the overhead for common type, it would be the best.
LOL, and the avionics didn't come from the low bidder (GE),
and who decided to interconnect the EECs with the PSEU system...
And why do you loose he FD and autopilot at GS intercept when the RA is MELed...
And why don't the Generators turn themselves on all the time and not just one time after getting airborne...

Its a good ride with nice [looking] avionics but is not really a Boeing by about 30 years...

I miss the crews and the based in LAX part though...

Cheers
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Old 04-30-2010 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The only way ftb will let you leave the 9 is if we take delivery of B-36's.

I hear they are a great fit for the Pacific cargo operation.
B-36 = Convair. Not the same. The only way New is allowed to leave the 9, and therein open the possibility I leave the 9-88, is if we get A-26s. Which were built by Douglas...



Douglas airplanes just kick everybody else's ---.

And yeah, I'm sorry for the oversized picture post but its paycheck Friday and I'm going to go to Taco Bell and have a #6 combo with chicken, supreme and a sweet tea and thus be wired for a few hours.

Either way, I'd just like to take a moment and thank Short Call for 3 awesome overnights in downtown NY, the shortest 15 hours, all late shows. I'm sure it'll always be like this.

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Old 04-30-2010 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
If it was a little roomier, a little quieter and SWA hadn't crippled the overhead for common type, it would be the best.
Pretty sure you just described an Airbus. Never thought I'd say this, but gotta love that French airplane. Now everybody bid it so I can get down to ATL on the 88
Old 04-30-2010 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
It is just fitting in the 73N that proves interesting, especially for FO's. (Seat does not travel as far back at the Captain's)
Most of the time, we FOs don't have to.
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