Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error. That will probably be debated. Yes everyone needs input and to understand possible changes. Bottom line is that whatever is looked at needs to be an improvement or forget it. I do not want everything to go to the NWA way that would be nuts and you guys would go crazy. No need to put us all through the ringer again. I think that we are talking about a tweek here and a tweek there. I think alot of things will improve anyway with IT improvements. We lost about 50-60% of our ACARS functions, nothing to do with porcedures just programming and vendor options.
With all that said hopefully they are really looking at the things acl is talking about and we do get a better operation for all of us.
We don't want one side to be chosen a winner. The DAL way has been chosen. Hopefully, a few good things can be incorporated into those procedures. One example was the Red Boarder Check List. It was on the dash and was a list of critical immediated actions, your memory items. Pretty simple and no room for error. That will probably be debated. Yes everyone needs input and to understand possible changes. Bottom line is that whatever is looked at needs to be an improvement or forget it. I do not want everything to go to the NWA way that would be nuts and you guys would go crazy. No need to put us all through the ringer again. I think that we are talking about a tweek here and a tweek there. I think alot of things will improve anyway with IT improvements. We lost about 50-60% of our ACARS functions, nothing to do with porcedures just programming and vendor options.
With all that said hopefully they are really looking at the things acl is talking about and we do get a better operation for all of us.

I'm actually glad the company went for what's expedient, because it's also what gets us mixing sooner. That allows for the best kind of debate, and the best kind of procedures: those that line pilots push through. Had a few wise-men in their ivory tower struck deals, and reached compromises on all procedures upfornt, neither one of us would have been involved. As it stands now, the process sucks for you because you will have to come our way before we find a common (third) way, but at least nothing was set in stone. No artificial compromise was reached that would pi$$ off 100% of the people, and no significant changes were made that failed to involve the 60%. The process did, however, drive the 40% nuts, as they try to make sense of things that are only consistent... with each other. As part of a system.
The company says we will find best practices. I want best practices. And you sure aren't going to rest until we find them. So we will all get our say. I honestly believe we will figure this out.
I agree with most of what you said. A lot of the smaller items, and the IT items in particular, wirll help. On the issues of more substance, there's not been any winner because there's not been a closure to the discussion. The process that was chosen, from what I understand was this "adopt-and-go". From Delta's perspective, and the FAA's, and my own, we cross-polinate, then we debate. Everything Dixon puts out is centered around this theme, so it's not as if the company is fighting us.
I'm actually glad the company went for what's expedient, because it's also what gets us mixing sooner. That allows for the best kind of debate, and the best kind of procedures: those that line pilots push through. Had a few wise-men in their ivory tower struck deals, and reached compromises on all procedures upfornt, neither one of us would have been involved. As it stands now, the process sucks for you because you will have to come our way before we find a common (third) way, but at least nothing was set in stone. No artificial compromise was reached that would pi$$ off 100% of the people, and no significant changes were made that failed to involve the 60%. The process did, however, drive the 40% nuts, as they try to make sense of things that are only consistent... with each other. As part of a system.
The company says we will find best practices. I want best practices. And you sure aren't going to rest until we find them. So we will all get our say. I honestly believe we will figure this out.
I'm actually glad the company went for what's expedient, because it's also what gets us mixing sooner. That allows for the best kind of debate, and the best kind of procedures: those that line pilots push through. Had a few wise-men in their ivory tower struck deals, and reached compromises on all procedures upfornt, neither one of us would have been involved. As it stands now, the process sucks for you because you will have to come our way before we find a common (third) way, but at least nothing was set in stone. No artificial compromise was reached that would pi$$ off 100% of the people, and no significant changes were made that failed to involve the 60%. The process did, however, drive the 40% nuts, as they try to make sense of things that are only consistent... with each other. As part of a system.
The company says we will find best practices. I want best practices. And you sure aren't going to rest until we find them. So we will all get our say. I honestly believe we will figure this out.
).
Avionics are great (except for VNAV descents which I don't think they'll ever fix
). If you can't fly instruments on that display, you can't fly!If it was a little roomier, a little quieter and SWA hadn't crippled the overhead for common type, it would be the best.
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and who decided to interconnect the EECs with the PSEU system...
And why do you loose he FD and autopilot at GS intercept when the RA is MELed...
And why don't the Generators turn themselves on all the time and not just one time after getting airborne...
Its a good ride with nice [looking] avionics but is not really a Boeing by about 30 years...
I miss the crews and the based in LAX part though...
Cheers
George

Douglas airplanes just kick everybody else's ---.
And yeah, I'm sorry for the oversized picture post but its paycheck Friday and I'm going to go to Taco Bell and have a #6 combo with chicken, supreme and a sweet tea and thus be wired for a few hours.
Either way, I'd just like to take a moment and thank Short Call for 3 awesome overnights in downtown NY, the shortest 15 hours, all late shows. I'm sure it'll always be like this.
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