Originally Posted by buzzpat

Nosmo, your original note talked about a 76ER instructor flying up from the ATL to MSP to instruct because "the fnwa instructors wanted their hotels to be paid for." I'm guessing there aren't a lot of 76ER fnwa guys hanging out in MSP these days either...there will be, just not yet. My point is this: all of our equipment is moving from former north bases to south, and south bases to north. Delta doesn't pay for our instructors to instruct anywhere other than ATL. I have a pretty strong hunch that North instructors will soon have to live in MSP or suck it up when it comes to commuting.

The salad days are gone brother. If a former northie, or a southie for that matter, wants to instruct in ATL or MSP, they'd better figure out a way to get there and do that. The survey says that Mother DAL ain't gonna pay for it. Just the facts, ma'am. And, in fact, its not on their own dime. They get paid for the highest seniority position they can hold, they get much more control of their schedule. If they have to commute to MSP and hang out at the Holiday Inn, my heart does not bleed. Instructing is a cushie gig, especially for the line guys. It just got less cushier.

Originally Posted by iaflyer

Let move onto what this thread is really about: good lookin'

I wanted to point out to all those Auburn people who keep saying their girls are hot that a Michigan girl won the Miss USA Pageant. (Also a U of Michigan grad):



She's from Dearborn, MI which is only 15 miles east of DTW. But don't bid DTW because of her - she's headed to law school.

Originally Posted by buzzpat

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess they won't be instructors in MSP much longer. Surely, there are capable guys who live there or wouldn't mind commuting into there that would like that job, like the pay, and the QOL. That's why DAL-S doesn't have a lot of guys commuting in to "train" in ATL. There are no shortages of guys who can instruct, nor who want to. Why would DAL pay for guys to fly in and board, at company expense? Sorry,the whole ivory tower instructing thing is so '80s.

Originally Posted by Nosmo King

When fNW originally decided to pay hotel and per diem to instructors it was to prevent the instructor cadre from becoming an "old boys" network. It also opened up instructing to a much wider pool of candidates, some of whom were extremely good instructors that did not live in and were not based in MSP.

Do seriously expect all of our instructors on the 747, 330, 320 and DC-9 to live in MSP?

MSP is our smallest 330 base and is NOT a 747 base. If you insist on limiting instructors on those airplanes to pilots that live in MSP you are severely limiting the quality and quantity of the instructor cadre, because fNW that used to get paid hotels and per diem are not likely to do it on their own dime.

I suppose you would rather give those instructor jobs to non seniority list pilots or out of seniority pilots when they can't meet training demands for instructors. I'd rather have guys that are really good seniority list instructors regardless of where they live or are based.

Originally Posted by buzzpat

Nosmo, your original note talked about a 76ER instructor flying up from the ATL to MSP to instruct because "the fnwa instructors wanted their hotels to be paid for." I'm guessing there aren't a lot of 76ER fnwa guys hanging out in MSP these days either...there will be, just not yet. My point is this: all of our equipment is moving from former north bases to south, and south bases to north. Delta doesn't pay for our instructors to instruct anywhere other than ATL. I have a pretty strong hunch that North instructors will soon have to live in MSP or suck it up when it comes to commuting.

The salad days are gone brother. If a former northie, or a southie for that matter, wants to instruct in ATL or MSP, they'd better figure out a way to get there and do that. The survey says that Mother DAL ain't gonna pay for it. Just the facts, ma'am. And, in fact, its not on their own dime. They get paid for the highest seniority position they can hold, they get much more control of their schedule. If they have to commute to MSP and hang out at the Holiday Inn, my heart does not bleed. Instructing is a cushie gig, especially for the line guys. It just got less cushier.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire

Yea sure - if there was a better way DAL already would have thought of it

How many fDAL pilots does it take change a light bulb?

50 - 1 to hold the bulb, and 49 to pick up the house and rotate it around him.

How many fNWA does it take to change a light bulb?

5 - 1 to change the bulb, and 4 to *itch about how they used to do it in good old days.

How many post merger pilots will it take to change a light bulb?

0 - we won't let them touch the light bulb

Humor aside fellas, we better start getting used to getting squeezed big time by RA aka old NWA, and preparing ourselves accordingly. RA was not brought in to create the worlds largest airline so we could have twice the manpower, pay them all more, and be less efficient. Never mind the "my team" sports rivalries, fact was old NWA was a leaner, meaner, more efficient machine and it's coming our way.

Nu is correct that with these guys you get it writing (and even then) or they'll beat you over the head with it. There was a reason our old PWA was twice as thick. Want a pizza? Here you go. What, you didn't order sauce, that's extra......