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06-08-2010 | 07:21 PM
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From: Legacy FO
DAL,
Common sense - you hit the nail squarely on the head. I have been doing S/E taxi at DAL for years and think its a great policy........ with one big exception. I hate being in the middle of a single engine taxi and getting a runway change. If we are single engine and get a rwy change we should stop and set the friggin parking brake.
Why is it a such big mystery what rwy we will be using?? Granted, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed but when I am doing the rwy change items while doing a delayed engine start I am totally worthless as a back-up to the CAPT as far as taxiing goes. I am pretty much inside with quick/sporadic looks outside and it bothers me every-time we do it. I can literally feel the hairs stand up on the back of my neck - like I am doing something wrong and should know better.
If asked what will be the cause of the next mishap at DAL my vote is for some kind of ground incident/rwy incursion while the FO was doing the delayed start checklist and rwy change items simultaneously. Now I know what you are thinking - just stop if you are uncomfortable. Well this would solve the problem at an individual level but it would not solve the problem for DAL as a whole. This should be an ALPA issue. Yeah I know batteries in the cargo hold are a dire threat but so is overtasked FO's!
If S/E taxi is so important to DAL then let them work out a system with ATC where you receive an "expected" runway with your PDC 100% of the time.
Rant Over - Scoop
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Common sense - you hit the nail squarely on the head. I have been doing S/E taxi at DAL for years and think its a great policy........ with one big exception. I hate being in the middle of a single engine taxi and getting a runway change. If we are single engine and get a rwy change we should stop and set the friggin parking brake.
Why is it a such big mystery what rwy we will be using?? Granted, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed but when I am doing the rwy change items while doing a delayed engine start I am totally worthless as a back-up to the CAPT as far as taxiing goes. I am pretty much inside with quick/sporadic looks outside and it bothers me every-time we do it. I can literally feel the hairs stand up on the back of my neck - like I am doing something wrong and should know better.
If asked what will be the cause of the next mishap at DAL my vote is for some kind of ground incident/rwy incursion while the FO was doing the delayed start checklist and rwy change items simultaneously. Now I know what you are thinking - just stop if you are uncomfortable. Well this would solve the problem at an individual level but it would not solve the problem for DAL as a whole. This should be an ALPA issue. Yeah I know batteries in the cargo hold are a dire threat but so is overtasked FO's!
If S/E taxi is so important to DAL then let them work out a system with ATC where you receive an "expected" runway with your PDC 100% of the time.
Rant Over - Scoop
Mad face for emphasis!
06-08-2010 | 07:38 PM
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From: DAL 330
Then again maybe my luck just sucks. I had two gate failures on my current 4 day trip. Twice we pulled up to park and the gate wouldn't work, once in DTW and the very next leg in SFO. ****! How often does a gate fail? Both times we had to wait for maintenance to come out to fix the gates.
My point is this (besides the fact that I should avoid casinos and not waste money on lottery tickets) - Some guys think S/E taxi creates an unnecessarily high workload for the FO. I think it is fine unless you get a runway change, which I guess does not often happen to many guys except me - carry on.
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06-08-2010 | 07:44 PM
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It would be like if NWA was the surviving management, and we issued the fDAL guys a memo stating that we do not use LNAV. Rather, we put the ND's in VOR mode and keep the needle centered by changing the heading bug. You would probably think that was backward change. Then we could respond, "oh you former DAL guys just don't like change."
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06-08-2010 | 07:54 PM
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You are right, this is a change. But nobody on the fNWA side is against this because it's change. We're against it because it's backward change. The technology we had allowed us to use every minute efficiently and not waste time at the gate, when you could be pushing, getting in the taxi line, then getting numbers when they were available.
It would be like if NWA was the surviving management, and we issued the fDAL guys a memo stating that we do not use LNAV. Rather, we put the ND's in VOR mode and keep the needle centered by changing the heading bug. You would probably think that was backward change. Then we could respond, "oh you former DAL guys just don't like change."
Carl
It would be like if NWA was the surviving management, and we issued the fDAL guys a memo stating that we do not use LNAV. Rather, we put the ND's in VOR mode and keep the needle centered by changing the heading bug. You would probably think that was backward change. Then we could respond, "oh you former DAL guys just don't like change."
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06-08-2010 | 07:55 PM
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06-08-2010 | 07:56 PM
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From: Legacy FO
You are right, this is a change. But nobody on the fNWA side is against this because it's change. We're against it because it's backward change. The technology we had allowed us to use every minute efficiently and not waste time at the gate, when you could be pushing, getting in the taxi line, then getting numbers when they were available.
It would be like if NWA was the surviving management, and we issued the fDAL guys a memo stating that we do not use LNAV. Rather, we put the ND's in VOR mode and keep the needle centered by changing the heading bug. You would probably think that was backward change. Then we could respond, "oh you former DAL guys just don't like change."
Carl
It would be like if NWA was the surviving management, and we issued the fDAL guys a memo stating that we do not use LNAV. Rather, we put the ND's in VOR mode and keep the needle centered by changing the heading bug. You would probably think that was backward change. Then we could respond, "oh you former DAL guys just don't like change."
Carl
06-08-2010 | 07:58 PM
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From: SLC ERB
As far as a the late AWABS debate goes - I think the problems that the 747 (and 330 guys?) are having will be short lived. I know that some may think that our system is a step backwards but it really does work. We can talk about the distraction of SE taxi and runway change items - but I can remember being in a NW jumpseat and watching those guys with their heads down as they processed the numbers that they received during their taxi.
06-08-2010 | 08:09 PM
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
OK. I re-read the post, and it's clear neither you or he read Nosmo's post. The guys post complains that Nosmo's post doesn't address the issue of late AWABS. Yet Nosmo mentions it in the very first lines.
Man it's going to be difficult to affect change if people aren't even reading.
Carl
Man it's going to be difficult to affect change if people aren't even reading.
Carl
Yeah, its going to difficult to affect change when guys like you and Nosmo are shooting from the hip with absolutely zero credibility, references or objective observations. Only the tired, increasingly tired, emotions of "man, we got screwed!" You want an objective debate? That's what I do for a living. Flying for Delta is a hobby.
As for Nosmo, 50% of your ATL departures are late due to late AWABS? Really? Show me. Or ****. You guys are a bunch of whining *****es. I'll ask ops to show me late departures out of ATL due to AWABS for the 330 and the 747. I can guarantee you that you are nowhere near 50%. 5% maybe, 50%, prove it or shut up.
06-08-2010 | 08:14 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
We have a winner! Who cares about D0 anyways and if we block out a couple minutes behind? The gate agents? That's great- let them do their dance and code it as "checklist." Let's get there on time- that's what counts.
Nothing like sitting in a 757, A320, or DC-9 still running both engines waiting on numbers. Checked that box off numerous times.
I remember a NW 757 guy a few years back before I came over to DL describing to me in detail how the 757 is too large of an airplane to single engine taxi. Then I got here and found out that the breakaway power for dual and single is identical.
Sometimes what you first thought was the right way may not be the right way. To be fair, that goes for fDL, too.
06-08-2010 | 08:17 PM
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