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Old 06-09-2010 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Oh this again... anyway.

You can have a 24 hour break on a layover, or get in at 4pm on day 6 and leave at 7pm on day 7. Worked both days, but you had a 24 hour break so it's legal.

Works for reserve too. For reserves, if required, scheduling will give you a 24 hour break.
I understand how the rule works which is why I'm asking the question. As a lineholder, it makes sense that PBS can build a schedule with 9 days on because you could have a 24 hour break between trips. What I don't understand is how PBS can build a schedule for a reserve pilot with more than six days on. If PBS built this schedule, would the schedulers go in there before the schedule is published and move my days off around to make it legal?
Old 06-09-2010 | 09:27 AM
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Whatever happened to GUM?
It was replaced by the breath mint.

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Old 06-09-2010 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
I understand how the rule works which is why I'm asking the question. As a lineholder, it makes sense that PBS can build a schedule with 9 days on because you could have a 24 hour break between trips. What I don't understand is how PBS can build a schedule for a reserve pilot with more than six days on. If PBS built this schedule, would the schedulers go in there before the schedule is published and move my days off around to make it legal?
Because according to DAL you only need to look back 24 hours & find 8 hours of rest. And reserve isn't duty according to DAL so you can sit 9 days of reserve without a day off.
Old 06-09-2010 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Because according to DAL you only need to look back 24 hours & find 8 hours of rest. And reserve isn't duty according to DAL so you can sit 9 days of reserve without a day off.
Well, if DAL doesn't consider long call reserve duty (because you have no telephone responsibilities), then this makes total sense. I understand now. Thanks for the help, everyone!
Old 06-09-2010 | 09:46 AM
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I actually got a call from scheds after 5 days of flying saying that would be my 24 hour break after that trip.
Old 06-09-2010 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Can any of you Northies help me with some info about the laundry services in NRT ? How fast is the turn around and how is the quality ? I have a multi day asia tour next week and don't want to carry a boat load of uniform stuff. Thanks
Great laundry service. Be careful about asking for starch. The last time I did the shirt could stand up by itself and took 4 washings at home to get it all out. Might try LIGHT starch and see if that works.
Old 06-09-2010 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Because according to DAL you only need to look back 24 hours & find 8 hours of rest. And reserve isn't duty according to DAL so you can sit 9 days of reserve without a day off.
Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
Well, if DAL doesn't consider long call reserve duty (because you have no telephone responsibilities), then this makes total sense. I understand now. Thanks for the help, everyone!
You guys are getting confused.

Whitlow has not changed. For a domestic flight, you have to be able to look back 24 hrs from the completion of any scheduled flight and find a legally scheduled rest period. (generally 8 or 9 hours)

Long call is not legal "duty" but it is also not legal "rest". You DO have telephone responsibilities on long call.

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The rule that comes into play if they are going to build 9 day blocks for domestic reserves is the "24 in 7" rule. A reserve can be on call for an unlimited number of consecutive days but you have to comply with that rule.

You must have been released from all duty and telephone responsibilities for 24 continuous hours at some point in the preceding 7 days prior to reporting for any domestic flight duty.

Scheduling could do that in any number of ways. Most likely they will start assigning 24 hours of "rest" after trips. You fly a 3 day to start your 9 days, then rest 24 hours, then have 5 days left. etc. etc. Also layovers count. They could also start releasing guys for 24 hours toward the beginning of the 9 day blocks when they are fat on "reserves available vs. reserves required".

Why they are doing this is the interesting question. Maybe they figure they will be splitting fewer 4 day trips this way. Fewer white slips and better reserve utilization saves them money.
Old 06-09-2010 | 11:25 AM
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Way to go MSP. We're going to catch a lot of crap for this mixup...

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Old 06-09-2010 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Can any of you Northies help me with some info about the laundry services in NRT ? How fast is the turn around and how is the quality ? I have a multi day asia tour next week and don't want to carry a boat load of uniform stuff. Thanks
In by 1600 back by 1000 following morning.

In by 1000 back by 1500(1600?) same day

You can get express service in the morning, I think its in by 0800 back by 1200, but don't quote me on that one. You will pay any excess costs over regular service.

If you don't do anything weird with your laundry requests, it should be direct billed to company without any interaction between you, the hotel or the company.

Bring 4 shirts and leave 2 in the laundry as "Keep" and swap them on every NRT layover (assuming you only have 2 legs between each NRT layover). Can do the same with skivvies unless you are one of those inside out types...

If you aren't flying Asia on your next trip, pick them all up on your last layover and take them home.

I recommend NO STARCH and folded (not on hangar)

Be sure to bring the laundry ladies some chocolate or little gifts every once in awhile and they will treat you (and other pilots) like kings.

Don't be surprised if they greet you by name the second or third time you see them in person.
Old 06-09-2010 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
Whatever happened to GUM?
Isn't that a department store in Moscow?
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