It does not matter if we voted in a pickle jar filled with a broccoli fart, ALPA national will continue to focus on its needs not yours and serve two masters. Business as usual.

 

I am getting a Ligiero Error when trying to get into the Nov or Oct wide reports, anybody else having that problem?

 

I don't believe that any schedules for November have been published yet.

I am not having a problem with the October reports.

 

Called Delta help desk and there is a problem with the system that they are resolving right now.

 

Carl,

Are you talking about being an ALPA member or actually working as for ALPA? Just because a pilot has carried his ALPA card in is wallet for 30 years doesn't make him better or smarter. They may have more experience carrying a wallet though!!! My regional friends that have worked for ALPA have a lot more inside knowledge than I do as a major airline ALPA line pilot. Wise up old man!!!!!

 

Added bonus - you get to hit from the red tees.

 

FWIW, this old man's experience has been inside and outside ALPA.

Carl

 

You assume too much. The vast majority of regional pilots do NOT want to stay at the regionals. They would much rather gather experience and apply for a job at a major carrier.

The problem is that major airline pilots gave away the flying. Major airline pilots were too cool to fly those 'small jets' and didn't want them on the property. We, major airline pilots, allowed scope concessions and the creation of B-scale airlines (Compass) to grow. Didn't you work for the major airline that created Compass?? We both now work for the airline that gave away the most RJ's....silly pilots!

Most regional pilots I know say "SCREW THIS JOB" I wish those major airline pilots would grow some balls and not give away the farm!! Who wants to make a carreer at Mesa....uuggggg.

I used to commute weekly on UAL up and down the west coast. I had the same senior captain a few times. Each time he saw me he'd go on a rant about how regional pilots were ruining the industry. At that time my airline was taking delivery of shiny new 30 seat turbo-props....wow, I now had a hot 23 year flight attendant to look at and an APU!! We had just started getting a handful of RJ's to fly for UAL.

I got sick of sitting on my thumb and listening to his rant so I did some research on RJ proliferation at that time. Next week I brought the research that the American pilots had done. I also looked into how the regionals got the first RJ and how other major ALPA carriers pilots did not want to fly these jets due to the low offered pay scales that could potentially lower the bigger jets pay rates.

Armed with my info I politely asked for the jumpseat. It was the same senior UAL captain that greeted me with the usual, "aahh, it's the mosquito pilot trying to bum a ride again. You guys are trying to steal my job. Have a seat." The FO just shook his head in disgust.

We got to cruise and he started the rant again. This time I pulled out my ammo and we had a good debate. I presented facts, he presented emotion. He got upset when his FO looked at him and said, "you know, the mosquito pilot is right." After a few minutes of silence he admitted that I may have been right.

Carl, I didn't hit the lottery to get to Delta. I worked my way up through a system created over decades. This is the route civilian pilots take. Civilian pilots are heavily reliant on the path the senior pilots have carved for the junior guys. The decision senior pilots at a major airline made over the last 15-20 years are what created this mess. Now we have to fix it.

 

Thank you!!!! My only experience comes from volunteering for an Alpa union drive and now my time as a line pilot at Delta. During our union drive at my regional Alpa had some education classes for us. I admit I have A LOT to learn. ACL has seen me at many meetings in Atlanta....I'm trying.

 

Speaking of 15-20 years ago and making a mess, I once heard that Pratt & Whitney turned down competing for the engines for the ERJ-145. They said it wouldn't last.

fwiw, 1100+ of them were made so at the least that's 1100 x 2 not counting replacement engines over the last 12 or so years.

The engine they chose, the AE3007, is the same core engine for the Osprey and C130J, pointless factoid.

A lot of people I'm sure never thought the RJ world would grow so large, maybe nobody. 9/11 didn't help when the name of the game was frequency of flights because thats what the customers wanted. Add in the "we don't fly F.L.A.Ps" and "those things suck, nobody will want them" and so forth and you get an enormous fleet of regional jets with everyone pointing fingers going "what the hell happened to the industry?!?"

Meanwhile, Southwest, 0 RJs. AirTran, 0 RJs after dabbling in it for a short period. Not saying there isn't a place for feeder service, but it sure would be nice if it was in-house and under control. I know we're beating a dead horse though but its resurrected often because of the silence at ALPA and the fears of what ALPA may push for in their lobbying efforts- despite what the pilot group and evidently many within ALPA want.

Negotiating Scope

Best of luck to UCAL on scope, right now we're all counting on you.