Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 832577)

I am talking about the actual database structure and set-up. It isn't as simple as adding a few more subsets and datafields.

IT had to be an adopt and go strategy because you can't just make the two systems talk to each other (it would take nearly as long to do this as to just develop a new customized it backbone and reporting structure). I don't really like SAP, (very limited experience) and would prefer a customized wholly owned solution but this is very expensive to develop and maintain.

I agree that it is about usability and productivity and flight ops is not the only user of the system.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 832582)

Yes, SAP is ridged, but it costs a lot less to develop and patch existing software than to design, develop and implement a new it backbone. It costs less and actually takes less time to do it the way they have decided to do it.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 832607)

North pilots have newer hats.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 832655)

Let's see. Schwanker posts something that even you say was a good argument. But then his last sentence make him lose credibility in your eyes and everything you used to think was good, is now not.

Note to self: If you say one thing that tsquare doesn't agree with, you lose all credibility and then he has to disagree with everything that he used to agree with.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 832678)

Thank you for that compelling, thought provoking post.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 832663)

Trust the process? Even after RA himself says IT is the biggest worry that keeps him up at night? Even after our current level of troubles involve IT issues to a large degree? That level of trust is naive.

Carl

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 832638)

And that is total b.s.

And that should not be happening and hopefully someone will take care of it shortly. I'm going to say something that will probably get me stoned by a mob, remember only men are allowed to throw stones - Life of Brian, but when many of us new hires were sitting in initial indoc there were multiple times we scratched our heads over procedures. I think thats when you realize this airline is old and set in its ways and so are many people and those who wanted to change things (go talk to the fine folks in JFK) will tell you how they tried and gave up.

All that said, I'll say today what I said then: "thank God I'm here, and if thats the way they want it done then I'll do it with pride, but I hope they change it though :D."

I think as a DALS pilot you hear someone complain about how DALS did it and the initial reaction is to defend it as its not so much about the subject matter but how it was raised. But at the same time it was complained about premerger.

I'm just calling it how I see it. We don't need to fly 767/757s like we flew 727s because some guy thinks it should be done that way. We shouldn't have maintained MD11s like they were L1011s to the verge of having warranties canceled. And whatever other example can be raised.

But I sure hope to God what made Delta a great place for pilots to work remains intact and thats going to take us as a group fighting to keep it that way.

Keep the good and the great, throw out the dumb and the bad. Goes along with if you need it run it, if you don't, don't run it.

My hope is the pressure comes from higher up where the real decisions are made to get with the combined program especially as we move forward. Especially since the ones in power aren't necessarily tied to either airline and probably will have little patience for those who buck change. And that's textbook business management.

Sorry for the long response.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 832688)

Nah. They just look newer because they're not very often worn. :D

Carl

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 832654)

Carl:

Are you in MSP? If so, lets have a beer. I'll buy.

Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 832695)

In all seriousness, are we wearing hats or not? I have not been wearing mine, privilege of being C-scale.