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keenster 06-27-2010 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 832964)
Care to educate us on this one? If it is because of the time and a half for over 80... you are barking up the wrong tree. Personally I'd rather have 2x greenslips (and I am very junior in my category) so I RARELY get any. But back on topic.. how are you making less when your hourly rate is more?

Way back in a post I put my W2 amounts on. I made $1200 less in 09 vs 08 working the same number of hours per month 75-76. I also worked or was away form home 34 more days in 09. I attribute the pay differential to work rules being different and paying more for insurance. Yes the hourly rate was up but gross pay was down year over year. That will not be the case this year. Many NWA guys experienced pay cuts in that going from 75 guaranteed on reserve to 70 on DAL contract and many guys went on reserve because of the categories of block and reserve going away. The so called huge pay raise happened but it only kept us about even in 09 vs 08 pay taking all things into consideration. Not complaining just trying to explain things. Also 1.5 for over 80 went away( I didn't do any of this) and there were very little if any opportunities to do GS flying that you might have had. Happy to have the better rates. This is all history now and what counts is how we do in 2012.:)

P.S. for this month and next month I am flying 84+ hours which will definitely bump the yearly up. Sure would be nice to have 1.5 on the over 80. GS seems hard to come by but that is probably because I have not figured the system out. My guess is that GS puts more money in pilots pockets. Would have to have alot of info available to figure that one out.

Ferd149 06-27-2010 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 833013)
Max landing weight with gas for an alternate.....but it brings up a question - what will the removal of the aft galley and replacement with 7 seats do? 7 pax @ 200lbs = 1400lbs....the galley weigh the same? Less? I bet less....just curious if this will generate MORE optimized -88 flights

DC-9 war story along these lines. Several years ago, some bright bulb took out the ovens (just aft of the FC galley) to save weight. Next thing all of us DFW commuters start seeing is a weight limit due to "balance". Without the ovens, they had to block the back row (5 seats). No one ever answered the fuel saved vs revenue lost question.........and when you tried to convince the gate agent that putting us IN the jumpseat would help the problem, it just fell on deaf ears.

Hope someone smarter than an inflight manager is looking at this issue. Yes, NWA did stupid stuff too:D

Ferd

jiminmem 06-27-2010 08:45 AM

I don't commute, but that could of course change. Getting the j/ser's on is critical. I'm shooked neither crew member knew of the policy.

We have to look out for each other, especially when its offical company policy.

Denny Crane 06-27-2010 08:54 AM

Keenster,

I know you said you listed an hour before the flight. Please excuse my feeble (mad cow and all:D) mind but did you list with the gate agent without going thru the VRU or via the VRU and then go activate it with the gate agent? If it was the second then most definitely pursue this by talking to the CP and/or sending it in via an FCR. This needs to be nipped in the bud. If it was the first...............lesson learned................always JS list via the VRU first.

Denny

Superpilot92 06-27-2010 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 832990)
A couple of days ago I stood in line for a breakfast burrito and struck a conversation with a SkyWest pilot. He mentioned that SKW is bidding on Compass and Mesaba.

Is Delta selling them? Dunno but the rumor of them being for sale started the minute that Compass was started
If the deal goes through will CPZ and MSB pilots loose the flow up and Delta pilots flow down in case of F?
True or false? False, the flow agreement would go along with the sale unless its negotiated away by us.

Thanks

filler .

keenster 06-27-2010 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 833023)
Keenster,

I know you said you listed an hour before the flight. Please excuse my feeble (mad cow and all:D) mind but did you list with the gate agent without going thru the VRU or via the VRU and then go activate it with the gate agent? If it was the second then most definitely pursue this by talking to the CP and/or sending it in via an FCR. This needs to be nipped in the bud. If it was the first...............lesson learned................always JS list via the VRU first.

Denny

Listed thru Icrew on my Iphone. Had to cancel my nonrev listing to do it. As soon as I got listed 5-10 minutes later checked in with the agent and got the Jump tickets handed to me. Crew shows up and I go down early to put bags away. Plane fills up. Agent brings down paper work and says I gotta get off for load beyond push time. Figured not the time to argue and do as told. Moved on to next flight and got on. Just want to know how to handle it if comes up again. I appreciate all the input.:)

Denny Crane 06-27-2010 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 833030)
Listed thru Icrew on my Iphone. Had to cancel my nonrev listing to do it. As soon as I got listed 5-10 minutes later checked in with the agent and got the Jump tickets handed to me. Crew shows up and I go down early to put bags away. Plane fills up. Agent brings down paper work and says I gotta get off for load beyond push time. Figured not the time to argue and do as told. Moved on to next flight and got on. Just want to know how to handle it if comes up again. I appreciate all the input.:)

I would have done the same thing. Most definitely pursue this further, it should not have happened.:mad: Glad you got on the next flight!

Denny

nwaf16dude 06-27-2010 10:31 AM

DTW is getting hammered by TStorms right now. Tornado sirens going off & the whole nine yards.

KC10 FATboy 06-27-2010 10:53 AM

CVG got hammered about an hour ago. MSP was hammered last night. Tornado warnings there last night.

KC10 FATboy 06-27-2010 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 832997)
ACL,
I may be uninformed, but no one I know has a good thing to say about the integration of procedures and policies. Really good people are all being replaced, retiring, or quiting thier jobs because of the in ablilty to input ideas and be taken seriously. They are pretty much slammed out of any process that might be taking place. Some pretty unbelieveable things have happened like "sit down and shut up there is a new sheriff in town". Its sad when the entire LCA group of one airplane has to do a letter about their position on a particular issue and threaten quiting in mass if they can't be heard. I call that pretty poor leadership in the flight ops portion of management at this company especially when dealing with a safety of flight item. We are not asking for things to go a certain way, It would be nice to have serious debate and really try to find best practices. I don't see that happening. I am waiting to see some glimmer of light that points to this taking place. Lip service is not what I am looking for. As Carl says, performance and results are what count.

Gentlemen:

Can you please give examples? Not just examples, but can you please give names of all the people involved in each of these situations?

You can private me the names.

I intend to ask the road show management guys about these situations. And you should too. Put them on the spot. Ask them why this happened. Make them squirm or sweat in front of a group of pilots. Put them in an uncomfortable situation.

I've been to two meetings where the management has talked. Not once has anyone mentioned anything like this. The only thing "controversial" I've seen asked was one Captain ask why in the hell do we have RJs then when they just said that they had the highest CASMs in the fleet. Even though this was ATL and CVG, there were fNWA pilots there.


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