Well, I see I haven't missed much on here lately.:(

Yup...Gutter is still a tool...

Nu

ACL,
I appreciate your position and hopefully the ice has broken. I think that it serves no purpose to put names on here about who says or does what. I could give you a list of guys form instructors ,to LCAs, to fleet captains, to chief pilots who have explained to us that they have pretty much ran into a brick wall. I could also give you guys on the other side who have made some of the unbelievable comments. Where does that get us. Probably would just make matters worse and possibly cause some good people to loose their jobs. I think that things might be changing a little because some changes have been made in the flt ops chain of command.
Bottom line: If they do not want to do best practices and review things just come out and say it and be done with it. Don't tell us it is going to happen and then slam the door on everything we try to bring up. In the mean time we are seeing our best guys that have been the guys for years that put out 150% in thankless positions being replaced, retire,fired, or quit out of frustration and they are the very people that should be doing the discussion on 350 best practice items or if that is a former DAL review only then please let us know that as well so we can forget about it. I'm about done with it myself.:rolleyes:

You're right. It does need to stop. Hopefully it will.

Carl

You are correct.

Carl

Really good points, and very well stated.

Carl

All good points. I know that in the past when a group of pilots have advocated for a change based on facts and research, they have been listened to. When it airs on the side of emotion, no so much.

We all want this airline to prosper, and part of that is taking the best from both airlines. If we are failing in that area, we need leaders that will succeed. It sounds like things are changing though. It may happen slowly but it is happening.

Here is the problem. You keep saying things like "Don't tell us it is going to happen and then slam the door on everything we try to bring up". There isn't any DAL guys here on this forum who have done anything to ya'll. This is why we can't and don't understand. Tell me the names and individual situation. Private message me.

I keep hearing "I could give" ... "I know of" ... "I should" ... blah blah la-di-freakin-da.

Honestly, at this point [trust me when I say that I'm trying to understand and be objective because I could really care less about this NWA/DAL crap as I was hired by both], as a DAL guy I'm numb to these divisive types of rants because ITS OVER. WE ARE ONE PILOT GROUP. AND STOP POINTING THE FINGER AT US LIKE WE'RE A BUNCH OF MANAGEMENT TYPES WHO CAN SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS.

The problems with these "my management buddy told me blah blah and then he resigned" is that there's two sides of the story. I'm not suggesting what you guys allege isn't true. Once we know both sides of the story, calmer heads will prevail.

If you have an issue, go to a meeting and air it in front of a group of pilots. If you have real issues or wrong doing, people being fired, force retired, bring it up. I'm very confident that once management learns how disgruntled the red tails are (assuming you are because I only see it here in Carl and a few others ... guys on the line are awesome), something will change.

KC10;
Good post. Of course there are always two sides to every story.

This was posted under a different thread but after the "Everything Delta is doing sucks" posts for the past three weeks I thought this would bring a different North perspective. Not everyone is in purgatory right now.

"My Father was planning on doing the same but decided to stay around. Apparently Delta is treating them much better than NWA did and has figured out a way to make more money while being home more! We did the math one night and he is earning more than a 74 Capt currently (75/76 out of MSP). I guess you just gotta know how to work the system. Delta seems like a great place, I have never seen him so excited to go to work!! I am very happy for him, its a big improvement from his attitude the past few years. You guys are all very lucky, I can only dream of the day I can get there."