I heard that we were getting a 22% raise and taking back all the flying above 50 seats. Delta's doing preferential interviews of those currently qualified on the aircraft and will integrate all those pilots brought over to mainline (currently enough to staff 219 aircraft or just under 2000 pilots) using date of hire.

rumors are fun....:rolleyes:

To answer your question - I haven't heard.

Isn't that a can of worms!?

I think realistically most pilots (much less %-tage at Delta, than at my other 3 airlines), however strong about the scope, would START thinking about giving it up at 40% pay restoration + maybe another 10-15% pay raise.
But what will it do to our airline?
Would MD, A319/320, 737 flying be really necessary? Would that result in 30-40% of pilots being furloughed? More? More outsourcing. New flow down agreements - if we are fast and smart enough?

Result - our furloughed pilots flying our 100 seaters with our passengers on our routes for contractor companies for a quarter of the pay?

Scary isn't it?
Sorry I guess I am preaching to the choir..

But, there's still the issue of SPS, which is even worse because it usually involves an outlay of your own money, wife's money, kids college fund and in severe cases a second mortgage.

But there's nothing as fun on a pretty spring morning as pulling your own shiny airplane out of its hangar, throwing the wife and all her crap in the back & taking flight on your own schedule.

Not that I can tell!

They should use you to teach lawyers how to phrase deposition questions. There are at least two possible meanings of what you wrote.Maybe Nostradamus was just stirring the pudding.

Well, hopefully it isn't true.

It did get me thinking last night though.

Is anyone else worried about Republic codesharing with DL in order to bypass scope?

If Delta came to the table and said they wanted to give more 76 seaters or 100 seaters to a current DCI ALPA carrier, or else they were just going to have Republic do the flying, what would happen?

I guess my question is: Is it better to stand firm on scope, or let it go out to a non-ALPA, non DCI carrier?

I believe it was all of the flying including 50 seaters and I didn't hear anything about preferential interviews but rather a merger of seniority lists strictly on date of hire for all of those DCI pilots wishing to fly larger jets.

Its really going to upset the former DCI pilots who came to Delta in 07-08 especially since if they had stayed they'd be MD88 or DC9 Captains or holding lines on the 330, 765 and ER but instead they're on the bottom of the list looking at being furloughed as the 50 seaters are parked.

but you may know more than me so I yield my time back to you but I would like to allot 5 minutes to Beer, who has not said much lately and 2 minutes to Tsquare to gloat.

Justice Department likes slot divestitures at New York, Washington airports


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The U.S. Department of Justice has endorsed the idea that US Airways and Delta Air Lines must give up slots at New York LaGuardia Airport and Washington National Airport to gain approval for their proposed deal.
In a filing, Justice backed the Federal Aviation Administration's requirement that US Airways and Delta be forced to give up 20 pairs of landing and takeoff slots at LaGuardia and 14 pairs at Washington National.
That's out of 140 pairs that Delta would pick up from US Airways at LaGuardia and the 42 that US Airways would pick up from Delta at Washington.



Justice officials said the surrender of those slots would help competition a lot and reduce the benefits to US Airways and Delta only a little. In the filing, Justice said LaGuardia [LGA] and Washington National [DCA] "have been largely closed" to low-cost carriers [LCCs]:US Airways and Delta on Monday responded to the FAA proposal by saying they could give up only 15 slots at LaGuardia and five at Washington National. They also picked the carriers that would get five slots each: Spirit Airlines, AirTran Airways and WestJet at LaGuardia and JetBlue Airways at Washington National.
The FAA proposed several ways that the carriers could divest the slots. The Justice Department picked Option 2: A secret auction at which US Airways and Delta would see the highest cash bid but not know the airline that had made the bid.



Justice said that method was preferable to Option 1, private negotiated sales, or Option 3, sales process managed by the FAA in which the sellers would know who was buying the slots:The ball is now in the FAA's court. Delta and US Airways have said they'll withdraw their application if the FAA doesn't accept the two carriers' revised proposal that requires fewer slot losses and names who gets the slots.
Here are the slot holdings of major players at LaGuardia and National before and after the US Airways-Delta deal as originally proposed by the two airlines.


Comments

Posted by Reality Check @ 8:04 AM Sat, Mar 27, 2010
Regarding the Southwest dispute, Bill Swelbar put it best in his blog's analysis. His key point is this:
"Despite what Southwest likes to say, it is not the same Southwest that sprinkled the 'Southwest Effect' on markets in 1992. The claims of low fares stimulating new demand just do not hold today - because everyone offers low fares."
The true discounters in the industry are now Airtran, Spirit, and JetBlue. I think the DOT should be happy with the deal.




Posted by Daltex @ 8:43 AM Sat, Mar 27, 2010
I beg to differ Reality Check if it wasn't for Southwest effect as you call it, these other carriers would not be low fare carriers. Truth is if not for SWA these carriers would not be discounting.



Posted by Scott @ 8:57 AM Sat, Mar 27, 2010
I beg to differ with Daltex. SWA is not a LCC any more. It purports, and the media supports, its IMAGE as an LCC. It is really a "legacy" carrier with cranky employees, outmoded methodologies, and bullying tactics. Then, when others use the same tactics, it falls behind the age-old rhetoric of "look how everyone is afraid of us." Perhaps if WN had to compete with others on a level turf, it might not be the same result.



Posted by davey @ 9:54 AM Sat, Mar 27, 2010
as one of those cranky, and outmoded and bullying type of SWA employee you refer too...the field has never been level for SWA...we fought through the courts to be allowed to fly..have been fighting the stoopid wright amendment ever since...chose to invent a "new" model to operate in and out of airports..(point to point)..and could do it cheaper and better than anyone else...are we a legacy now?..of course...would there be jet blue-air tran-spirit-morris air or any of the others that have based their style after southwest?...probably not..so please lets all start over with a level playing field..have those new LCC's bring their payrolls up to our industry leading numbers..add some more flights, and carry the most passengers in the united states..we don't back down from any fight...and given a chance we will win!!!..see united war in california..mid 90's...um..TED?...

That would be no but not "officially!"

They will ask for 100 seat relief. Duh!

F-90: Disregard.