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07-18-2010, 08:07 AM

#43531

54fighting

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Forgot To Bid-

Could you PM me. I am a COEX alum as well and want to ask you a question, sounds like we followed almost identical paths. I just joined here so I do not think I have PM initiation privileges.

Thanks and sorry for thread hijack...

07-18-2010, 08:24 AM

#43532

iceman49

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Sadly NW was never able to negotiate any type of call in honest policy in their contract. The only call in honest policy was in the Delta contract. NW flight ops had extended a policy only that could be revoked at any time to the NW pilots for commuting. All attempts to get that policy in the contract at NW failed. There was nothing to bring over to the joint contract.
The joint contract was negotiated by both NW and Delta pilots. The Delta pilots did not do it alone. The NW pilots voted to ratify that contract with a much higher percentage of yes votes then the Delta pilots.

Sadly you are right, NW did not have it in our contract...but it was a policy which was in place for a long time, which worked. It could have been brought over as policy if enough individuals pressed the issue...but sadly no. What would have happened if the company had revoked the policy...probably a lot of cnx trips. Thanks for the reminder about the percentage that ratified...but that was then...I would not speculate as to what would happen now...so we move on, wiser than we were. Instead we will pay double for a trip...that someone can not get to...where does that money come from in the long run.

07-18-2010, 08:24 AM

#43533

acl65pilot

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54th you need 10 posts. If you want to PM me from the other site I can see if you know him.

Welcome.

07-18-2010, 08:39 AM

#43534

Ferd149

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Ice........check your PM

07-18-2010, 10:29 AM

#43535

Razorback flyer

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Looks like the first "new" 90 hit the line today. Or at least went to Tech ops ATL:

FlightAware > Delta Air Lines #9933

On a different note, I think they have a fall sale every year - even when times are good. Its just a weak season.

07-18-2010, 10:46 AM

#43536

BusDrvr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

In regards to the NW pilots voting to ratify the joint contract at a higher percentage, I think it had less to do with their thinking that it was a great contract and more to do with unity and putting us all on a level playing field. We all know how that separate contract is effecting unity at US Air. The NW pilots were a little shocked when the DAL pilots inked their own separate deal with the company after the announcement of the merger. I think most of us knew we would never get a good contract without unity, and we wouldn't have unity with separate contracts. The separate deal that the Dal pilot leadership made with the company set the baseline for the joint deal in my opinion.

07-18-2010, 11:37 AM

#43537

Roadie85

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman49

Great post Iceman. NWA commuting "policy" worked for the company and its many commuters. Northwest gave away nothing, they realized it saved them money and helped the airline run better. Delta will have many more commuters in the years ahead, at some point it will become a necessity to help get it's pilots to work. I do not care which airline brought whatever to the table, as long as we adopt the best practices moving forward.

07-18-2010, 11:38 AM

#43538

PropNWA

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Position: DAL 7ER FO

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

First, did you get a greenslip? Second, was your last trip of the month a carryover trip from one month to the next?

If you got a green slip then the trip should be pay/no credit but you still should get paid for the hours and a call would definitely be in order. A greenslip will have the actual pay in the pay column and nothing in the credit column. If you are on reserve this is what you will see along with getting your reserve days back. If you are a regular line holder with a GS, then you will see the above along with the same amount listed lower on the time card. (As long as you have met the GS trigger for the double pay.)

If your last trip of the month was a carryover trip, the pay column on the time card will list what the whole trip is worth and the credit column will list what you get in the current month and you will get credit for the other hours in the next month when you actually do the flying. Example, I have a carry over trip from July to August. My pay time column show 16:45 but my credit column shows 6:36. I will get paid the 6:36 in July and the rest in August with "Trans" in the August pay time column and 10:09 in the credit column.

Hope this helps,

Denny

Thanks Denny! It wasn't a green slip but I think it's related to the carryover OE trip I was on. The original trip (on my previous aircraft) I was awarded was a 4 day that ended on the final day of the bid but the OE trip they replaced it with went one day into the next bid month. Since I'm on reserve, having the final days credit in the following month will cost me a bunch of money since I won't break guarantee for July. But as I read the contract, it seems that it's up to the pilot to decide whether they get paid for their original trip or the actual OE trip you fly so I guess I'll call somebody and see if they can pay me for my original trip instead. Is this something that the CPSC would deal with or should I contact someone in payroll? Thanks again for the help, Denny!