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Old 08-04-2010 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
+1! great idea. not sure the senior widebody mafia will go for it though. they might feel they have to subsidize the bottom financially in order to achieve this kind of pay structure. they would have to be sold on the QOL improvements.

Funny thing is that it is not a hit for one part of the list or another. It just take the static percentage bumps that we negotiate ( 5,4,4,4) and p lowers them to a 2-4% bump per year that a PWA is non-amendable and adds a COLA on top of it.

It sounds very scary to some that they do not know the exact percentage they will get each year, but one must remember that your buying power, which is really what matters, stays constant. That is what matters. If I had the time I would look at the PWA's from the 80's forward. Everyone benchmarks C2K but you need to realize that it was a home run that really was making up for previous prolonged section six negotiations.

Even in the last downturn COLA was Zero. We have not had deflation for a very long time. Government will do anything they can to keep inflation positive. (Makes paying back the debt easier since today's dollars are worth less than last years)

I admit it is a change in thinking, but it is one that keeps each position at the same buying power Y-O-Y with a rational few percentage points like we are seeing now. Putting a COLA rider after the amendable date takes many of the advantage away from the company for prolonged section six talks. It also take the Associations constant need for large gains and rationalizes them. In plain English, it means the members are able to buy the same stuff year over year, so there is less pressure on the administration to keep kitting those long balls.

Just a though that I have put much though in to.
Old 08-04-2010 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Your right I should have been more specific. I worked at comair and flew with plenty of CVG lifers who told me straight up the only way they were going to make more money was to get larger a/c.

The decisions of this part of the pilot group was one of the reasons I chose to stay at compass instead of taking recall at comair.

The junior part of the comair list is very different and sees scope erosion as a detriment to thier careers.

Frankly, that could be said for any Regional carrier. Lifers want more money and opportunities. Their interests diverge from that of the guys that want jobs at the mainline to move on.
Old 08-04-2010 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by beer
ASA Buying ExpressJet? WoW!!!!

Ya know 500 AC, 50 states 5000 pilots? Their new motto. It makes sense.

I would expect them to buy parts of Mesa as well.

I also would not be overly surprised to see SKW Inc, to buy Pinnacle Holdings once the flow issue is finalized.

It is the consolidation that the regionals need.

The only questions is if the DCI air service agreements would be kept intact in the event of a sale to another party like SKW.
Old 08-04-2010 | 05:44 AM
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The MD-90 has a slightly lower block cost than certain segment lengths than the 738.

The a/c with the lowest CASM is the 753, then the 744. (As I recall from looking at the CASM's sometime last year) I could be wrong in today's market.
Old 08-04-2010 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Beer, do you have a link or reference?
SkyWest Agrees To $133M Deal For ExpressJet - WSJ.com
Old 08-04-2010 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Beer, do you have a link or reference?
ExpressJet Accepts SkyWest, Inc. Acquisition Proposal -- HOUSTON, Aug. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
Old 08-04-2010 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
NewK

I gotta ask, not being versed in Latin, what does your "position" mean?

Denny
Denny,

res ipsa loquitur.

Technically, in Latin, it means: "the thing itself speaks," or "the thing speaks for itself."

But, the way it's used today, especially in the legal world, it means: "its obvious." Meaning that from the way things look, you can infer something to be true.


I think I was trying to be clever one night after a glass of cognac and forgot it was there. But, my thought at the time was that you can infer who works for who, present and past, by looking at what they are writing.


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
As luck would have it, I am versed in Latin. Here's to all my buds on APC and their new latin names:

NewK...Contractus Maximus
Oh my. Carl is a really smart dude. I think he has known what my name means all along.

Bravo, Carl. Bravo.

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Old 08-04-2010 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
As luck would have it, I am versed in Latin. Here's to all my buds on APC and their new latin names:

Denny...Victoryus Maximus
FTB......Photoshopus Hilarius
ACL......CIAus is Envyus
Scoop...Levelheadus Amongus
Ferd.....Femaleus Magnetus
NewK...Contractus Maximus
KC10....Gleuteus Maximus I keed!
Super...Coedus Delicious

Carl...Flatulus Disgustus
Thanks Carl!! I needed a good laugh this morning!

Denny
Old 08-04-2010 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think Lorenzo paid one salary for CA and one for FO. Did not matter what aircraft. That has since evolved to 3 different categories if I recall.

One thing to keep in mind is that with a one pay fits all system LOS pay is normally moved to 25 or 30 years max. Quite different from the 12 years we have now. In addition you lose the ability to generate pay raises via new equipment. Part of this thread is about the 737-800 paying more then the Maddog. The reason is we were able to get higher rates because of the greater efficiencies of the airframe. Lots of new aircraft types will be coming online in the next 30 years.It would be a major mistake to give that up.
I wouldn't say that there will be LOTS of new aircraft types coming online... but in a sense you are right. We gave up 3.B.6, and what did we get for that?
Old 08-04-2010 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
As luck would have it, I am versed in Latin. Here's to all my buds on APC and their new latin names:

Denny...Victoryus Maximus
FTB......Photoshopus Hilarius
ACL......CIAus is Envyus
Scoop...Levelheadus Amongus
Ferd.....Femaleus Magnetus
NewK...Contractus Maximus
KC10....Gleuteus Maximus I keed!
Super...Coedus Delicious

Carl...Flatulus Disgustus
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