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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 853213)

At least the amount of the raise in the rumor keeps getting bigger and bigger!
I would do yourself a favor before posting something like this and work out the math. A raise like that is somewhere between 550 to 600 million dollars a year in cost to the company. If you think they are going to give that up to outsource the 100 seat flying then I have hundreds of bridges to sell you!

Actually it is about 810 million.

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 853211)

That's what I thought until I called payroll because it looked like I wasn't being paid the 90 rate while on reserve. They told me every 88 category gets 88 pay and the 90 qualified categories get the 90 pay when you fly the 90. It's hard to actually tell because you usually fly the 90 enough that the difference is minimal, but they assured me I was being paid the 88 rate unless I flew the 90 and my calculations agreed with that. I've never figured out that rate in minutes on the top of the pay stub. There is nothing in the contract that specifies what the 90 qualified guys should get paid, but you are actually an 88 category and not a 90 category according to the payroll people.

Then it looks to my laymans opinion that, if you are in a 90 qualified category and have only been getting 88 pay for reserve guarantee, you have grounds for a grievance.:eek: Here is the contract language for the reserve guarantee pay. It is Section 4C.

Reserve Line Guarantee
1. The line guarantee of a reserve pilot for credit purposes will be 70 hours, and for pay purposes, will be the total dollar value determined as follows:
a) 70 hours

minus

b) his accumulated credit in the bid period, the result of which will be

multiplied by

c) the hourly rate of the highest paying aircraft model that all pilots in his category may be required to fly in the bid period, the result of which will be

added to

d) the dollar value of his accumulated credit in the bid period.
Note one: Subject to

Section 4 G., the dollar value of the accumulated credit in

Section 4 C. 1. d)

, will be computed at the hourly rate of the highest paying aircraft
model that all pilots in his category may be required to fly in the bid period.

Remember, category means base and equipment. The way I read it, if you fly you get the hourly rate of what you fly and then for the rest of your guarantee it should be 90 pay if you are in a 90 qualified category. YMMV

Denny

Hmmm......

I always thought we got 90 pay for guarantee then one month I thought it looked about a hundred bucks off. Did some calculating and it looked close to 88 pay so I called payroll and that was what I was told. The payroll folks are not the sharpest people around, so maybe they were wrong. Gonna go pull up some old pay statements and do some more looking.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 853141)

Sad, so I'm not the only one huh? Happened twice in the past month to me and I've given up on pcs requests as they blow them off anyways and if you do call it's too late and you get nothing. Not at all how it used to be even a few months ago. Same with requesting pm or am sc, they just start at the lowest raw score guy and give him/her the first AM sc and work up from there.

Ditto. It seems to me that they aren't even looking at the YS inputs. I put one in for 3 specific rotations last week and got another one. The request still shows "Current" in PCS.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 853207)

I guess the majority of the posters to this thread are on reserve. Is there any way we can start a DAL reserve thread so I don't (or other line holders) have to scroll through half the posts on this thread.

Look at it as a buffet of Delta delights. A little reserve discussion here, a little contract discussion there, some hot chicks and underboob, some trash-talking football, the obligatory Carl Spackler complaints about the Amish...

Or, you could start your own thread....but I, for one, wouldn't find it nearly as entertaining.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 853243)

Ditto. It seems to me that they aren't even looking at the YS inputs. I put one in for 3 specific rotations last week and got another one. The request still shows "Current" in PCS.:rolleyes:

I've always had great luck with the YS requests being honored. The only time they didn't honor one was because the guy who was junior to me that got what I wanted would have had an FAR issue with the other trip so they had to give him the one I wanted. I haven't submitted one the last few months though, so maybe they are disregarding them lately.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 853213)

I don't have to do myself any favors before posting a rumor. I heard the rumor from a captain and I posted it. I didn't realize this board was reserved only for hard facts. If it was, I guess we wouldn't need the board, would we.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 853068)

Rocky,

If you put a yellow slip in for a trip that doesn't match up with your days available, will they give it to you?

Ie. I have 5 days of availability and I put a yellow in for a 3 day trip....

If there is a 3 day guy with availability.. even if he is junior to you.. he gets the trip. Just another seniority abrogating methodology brought to you by....

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 853243)

Ditto. It seems to me that they aren't even looking at the YS inputs. I put one in for 3 specific rotations last week and got another one. The request still shows "Current" in PCS.:rolleyes:

I'll take everyones advice and I'll just throw at it the union next time it happens. Its getting old and I have a sneaking suspicion its just based on who's sitting at the desk. Like I said, its not like how it was. Its not been enough lately to want to drop doing reserve, but its getting close.

I think about 3 weeks ago I did the same thing you did Buzz, I was #6 on the list and YS'd to #3, put in my top 4 choices and got the 5th choice I never put in- the trip I was trying to avoid.

And btw, I don't believe we should have to call and remind them of our requests. This should be 100% computerized with the results 100% online.

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Reserve Utilization Order: How It All Comes Together (FTB synopsis of the RUO letter)
http://thelooper.files.wordpress.com...15-manning.jpg

(FTB Ponders)

Scheduler generates a Trip Coverage report (TC), lists all pilots legal to fly for the specific length of trips to be covered.
It first lists pilots with days of availability matching the length of trips to be covered followed by pilots in each successive group of days of availability. Thus, a 2-day TC report will show all of the 2-day pilots, then 3-day pilots, then 4-day pilots.
TC will show a seniority sequence number to show relative seniority among the pilots on the list but they are in RAW score order from lowest to highest.
TC will show if a pilot has reduced their RAW value.
If 2 pilots reduced have the same RAW score after both submitted a yellow slip to reduce their RAW scores, then the senior pilot will appear first on the report. If, however, neither reduced their raw and they have a tied RAW score then the JR pilot appears first. If only 1 pilot reduced their RAW then the pilot who reduced it is first.
Every pilot who appears on the TC report is available and legal to fly at least one trip.
The TC shows trips that each pilot is available and legal to fly in the following sequence: 1) the trips the pilot put in Option E on the PCS page "if needed to fly" and these trips will have an asterick next to the rotation number. Asterick = *. 2) If the pilot used one of the preference qualifiers (latest report available, earliest block-in available, most block time or highest total time) then those will appear in their preferred qualifier sequence. 3) If the pilot selected nothing, then the trips will appear in descending order of total credit. 4) Trips that do not meet the preference qualifiers are listed in descending order of total credit.
The "if needed to fly" qualifiers are only relevant if the pilot will be used based on their RAW score. If there are 12 trips, 20 people legal to fly ahead of you and you're number 25 with your RAW, you ain't be flying.
Please put your new cover sheet on your TPS reports, if you didn't get the memo I'll send you another one. Even if you did get the memo, I'll make sure you get another copy of it to make sure that you put the new cover sheet on your TPS reports.

Example:
Say there are 10 pilots on reserve, 5 trips. Based on raw scores (and reduced raw scores) the TC will determine the 5 pilots legal to fly at least one of those 5 open trips. Since you cannot YS for a specific trip, you're putting yourself in the pot for any of those 5 trips that you're legal for once you drop your raw by 15. If someone snags the one you wanted before you, tough luck you're still flying and I would abstain from playing Russian Rouellete till you prove that you have better luck.

Ideally, if there are 5 trips and 5 pilots legal for all 5 trips, then the system seems to run by taking those who bothered to submit something in Option E and does so in relative seniority order. Then it takes those who did not and gives them the remaining trips in seniority order (highest to lowest) starting with the next highest credit trip.

The wrench in the system is when a pilot is only available for 1 of the 5 trips, or 2 of the 5 trips. Once you're only available for one trip then you get that trip.

Hence, thats why you end up calling and saying "what gives?" and they explain that the guy junior to you got the trip you wanted because he had a [fill in the blank] issue and that was the only trip he was available for. At the same time, why in the hell do 3 JR pilots who are available for the same amount of days, who did not submit a YS and who have no conflicts get assigned the 3 trips you reduced your raw for and completed Option E for?

My issue, if PBS can run our 10,600 or what have you actual line qualified pilots schedules every month with the results posted for scrutiny and if a computer runs the non-rev order for a particular flight a thousand plus times a day and then shows you the order on a big screen at the airport, then there should be a system that does the same for reserve. Put this on autopilot and let the schedulers monitor it, i.e. take the human aspect out of it so we don't feel screwed.

ACL and Sailing are right, tell the union. I will. The more we do it the more likely it'll get back to the way it was where scheduling by and large was right in their assignments, win or lose for us.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 853126)

Call ALPA and ask to speak to one of the scheduling specialists. If a trip was assigned in error they'll get you compensated for it. If it wasn't, they'll explain why. Just make sure you have all the details (rotation numbers, time/date stamp of trip assignment, and your YS data) so they'll be able to work more efficiently and get back to you quicker.

Ya know... compensation is all well and good, but maybe the fNWA guys have a good point when they say that this kind of thing is unsatisfactory and needs fixing. The problem is that we are ALWAYS in the "fly it and grieve it" position, and the trips continually get covered. There is seemingly no penalty (on a continuing basis) to the company for these (continuing) types of transgressions. Maybe if there were a financial penalty.. or a payment in terms of an additional paid day off or something that actually hurts when this kind of crap happens, they would be a little more careful when making these kinds of dartboard assignments. But.. as we all know.. our reserve system flat out sucks, it abrogates seniority -continually- and nothing you guys down in the palace can say anything that will make that statement untrue. fire away.