A possible need to hire that doesn't come to fruition is better than a possible need to furlough whether one happens or not. I'm sure the company would give anything to run a mock post soc ae just for planning purposes.

I don't think we'll get the N policy unless the FAs vote in a union.

IMHO, we use up tons of our negotiating capital for the non-unionized FAs with every single "perk" we negotiate. The company has to factor in the cost of giving the FAs everything we negotiate, to keep the stews happy and non-unionized.

No way the company can afford give the FAs that call in honest policy, so we won't get either.

Once the FAs start negotiating for themselves, hopefully it will open up more room for us to negotiate improvements since we will no longer be effectively negotiating for us AND the FAs.

I think I'll donate to the FA union drive.

I agree that if the FA's were unionized it would be easier for us to get it. I hate the fact that we negotiate all of their added perks. If they knew that they would never want AFA in!

From the PWA (Sec 22-F)

12. A pilot who holds an MD will, without regard to the standing bids of senior pilots, be
reinstated to the category from which he was displaced if:
a. a vacancy is posted in such category and the earliest conversion date stated in the posting is within the 180 day period following the conversion date of his MD,
b. his standing bid indicates a request for such reinstatement, and
c. such vacancy has not been filled by reinstatement of a pilot senior to him who was also awarded an MD from such category



“Category” means the combination of a pilot’s position and base. (22-A7)

So you only have rights to DTW320B.

Forgot.

This AE is going to be very telling in terms of our needed staffing. They need to know were to put new meat. Now if they are adding positions and not taking away that is great. What will be real telling is the Foretasted Staffing levels published post AE and where the holes are once the awards are posted. That will give us a true idea if they have decided to pull the trigger on hiring. It is easier to hire than down bid pilots. It is also easier not to hire than to hire a few 100 and then shudder the doors again.

When I spoke to the gal (former NWA planner) that is taking over Crew Staffing a few weeks ago, she mentioned that one of the big benefits of our old APA monthly bidding was that they had a pretty good idea as to where people wanted to go and was a relatively good planning tool for them whereas the AE process has them totally in the dark (especially once we have combined AE's)

Do the north F/As have a me too clause in their contract?

ACL, is that the pic showing in detail how the Geico lizard got his current gig? I guess there's a price to pay to rise to the top.:p

Pilot Job :: Part 121 Pilots - First Officers

we are recruiting pilots now?

disregard all.

Give me your log in and I will tell you if we are?????:D

Expect to see more like this soon!

Spliff, his point is that they did not and they are AFA!

nice find!! !

More appropriate for pilots working under a bankruptcy contract:

http://www.ammahls.com/random/mouse_trap_sex.jpg

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Please don't use management-recruiting propaganda for anything other than its designated purpose! :D

ahhh...gotcha. I'm a little slow on the uptake.

so what's the deal?? are we gonna hire or not?? when will the company come out with info?? if they are seeking pilots don't they have to come out with numbers for the stock holders and the like??

I want to believe some of the "hints" being given on this forum....but like countless other times when I have read things on here, gotten my hopes up only to be dissapointed, I'm going to wait until things actually come to fruition. I can't see us hiring anytime soon.....Of course, I do hope I'm wrong though.

I would be floored to see the company announce anything prior to SOC.

Fair enough, what is this board anyway?
Mostly conjure and a great way to network!

It is interesting that this came out though. I just think that the posting is a error on someone's part. The words are not written by DAL. It is horribly worded.

If you look back over the last three years most of the things talked about are starting to come true.

MD-90's
DC-9's 742 getting parked
ANC closing
GUM as a possibility (BW admitted it)
NWA merger
stopping hiring
looking at a furlough
decision not to furlough
LGA deal
JFK terminal deals (publicly talked about by RA after the fact that T-8 was an option)
Other strategies

I totally understand that most pilots time lines to not mesh up with that of DAL. Near term to us is a month or two whereas to a corporation near term is three to five years. Lot of the items on here appear to be conjure and false at the time because they are in the near term to the company not to us.

Look back at this thread in 2015 and realize how many of the items being talked about over the last 18 month are a reality.
JFK
777-300
C-Series or another 100 seat jet
MD-90
744 parked
defined plan for narrow body replacement
leadership change at DAL
C2012 et al
DCI and their evolution.

Just pointing out that most things that come out here generally happen in some form. Just not on most people's time lines.

I don't think so either, but SOC is only 4-6 weeks away, from what people have posted here. We also don't have a pilot hiring group, so that might take some time to get together. But, Delta is accepting applications, so that's a start.

Actually, those words are written by Delta:

"We are proudly recruiting pilots for first officer positions. As a new Delta first officer, you have an opportunity to initially be assigned to a MD88/90, a 737NG, or even a 757/767 aircraft type among our fleet of more than 440 aircraft. To qualify for employment as a pilot with Delta, you must meet all of the following requirements."

from Delta - Pilot Basics which you get to from delta.com by clicking on "Careers" at the bottom of Delta.com, then "Pilot" then "Delta Pilot Basic Qualifications"

wow they changed the hiring website again! just the other day it didnt have all of that.

ACL, Thoughts?

If we needed pilots for next summer we would have to do something soon. When I was hired I really had no delays and it took just about 4 months to get on line!! And about 2 months from interview till class and I took the first class offered!!!

I know nadda is official but wishful thinking on my part!!!

Super, people do not want my thoughts, they want what I know. ;)

Well the part I do not like is the "or even a 757." Yuck!


Also FWIW that is from last round.

something must be up if they're have personnel working on changing the website. If they had no intention why would they waste the time to start advertising and changing the website?

Just for your information guys. Last time I was told we would be hiring at DAL on Dec 22, 2006. That was when Air Apps was approved to be the vendor for the applications. The first interview group came in a month after than and was in class a few weeks later. We have plenty of time.

We could conceivably have SOC Dec 31, interview invites out Jan 2 pilots interviewing a few weeks after that, and in class by early Feb. We did it last time and all of that frame work is still there. Add to it that the former indoc leader is doing the exact same type of work for the NWA guys. point is that it is a real small leap to go from here to there.

True - there is also some denial from us, in that we don't want to hear the truth. For example, someone who really wants to fly the 747-400 might not want to admit that it might be going away - or someone living in ANC not believing the base is closing.

What you do not get is that these boards are monitored by the FOM's in flt ops. Issues that are pointed out on here, like a change on a website, or the fact that journey works for I-crew are brought to the attention of the VP's and the lawyers so that they can meet the issue at the pass, or put it in the Trim Tab for all to see.

It is smart work by smart people! They are protecting DAL's best interests.

And that was after not hiring pilots for something like 5 years. Delta had to ramp up the online app and get it all organized. Delta just stopped hiring a year and a half ago, so it should be a lot easier.

We are hiring.
I have been put in charge.
The first class has already been filled.

Class photo:

True. I just pointed out that there are a lot of smart people on these boards that post a lot of stuff we can talk about. Most of it is three or four ridges away. That is too long for many pilots to deal with.

If you want to look long term, I am looking at things that we are planning for the 2018-2022 time frame. My God I would not even talk about that crap on here as it would drive people nuts that it will not happen by Christmas.

can I help with indoc!!!! :eek:

Well, and when oil price double and the plan changes because it's now economical, they would probably claim you were making it all up. (well, you're such a dependable source that I think we all know, but some might claim that about others)

You can help in the classroom indoc, I'm going to help at the water evacs.

My point exactly. The office spaces et al are easily accessed unlike last time. Plus most of the people that interviewed last time are still here and still up to speed. Point is that we could do it in two to three weeks if they OFFICIALLY decide to hit execute.


BTW most of this stuff is leaked by design, do not be so stupid to think otherwise.

I can list about 10 guys/gals on here that are wired for sound when it comes to info, but I will let y'all figure that out!

already posted

What is that?