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acl65pilot 12-21-2009 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 731002)
Ouch... saw this is daily trip coverage:

Check in 22.20

Day FLT Departs Arrives
21 D1139 ATL 2250 XYZ 2354 1.04

XYZ 5.41/Hotel

22 1850 XYZ 0535 ATL 0641 1.06

Regular 5.15TL 1.06BL
Reserve 5.03TL 1.06BL

Thats a stand up overnight for sure. I'd sleep in the plane. :eek:

This is why you want to stay away from the @#%)(* ATL M88. :D My campaign continues. 10 more days and the AE closes.

(XYZ) = undisclosed nearby airport.

Yuck. I did not even know DAL this crud!

NuGuy 12-21-2009 07:02 PM

Heyas,

Well, another option to make reserve SLIGHTLY better would be a modification of the "time available" system from NWA.

This was usually used for blockholders without a block. You could sit TA at home for the line guarantee or sit in base for the reserve guarantee.

The only proviso is that you were at the top of the list to get called out...no questions asked. But you also usually had 24 hours notice, if not more, to make your trip. It also helped scheduling out by keeping the short call people for the really urgent stuff that popped up at the last minute.

Call it ULC...ultra long call. It would make commuting to reserve almost doable.

But to throw a bone to the fDAL guys.... I got a one day trip stuffed onto my schedule. I used the PCS system to request a PD, and bingo, trip dropped (I had also put it on the swap board). Now THAT was pretty cool.

Nu

iceman49 12-21-2009 07:10 PM

RSV also paid 75hrs at NW

Tycer 12-21-2009 07:49 PM

Anyone heard anything about having a base in Guam and or Narita? Going through the sim here and spoke to Brian Bolt for about thirty minutes. He mentioned that there was discussion about this possibility. Has any one else heard anything? It sounds a little far fetched, but right now I guess anything is possible.

Superpilot92 12-21-2009 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Tycer (Post 731084)
Anyone heard anything about having a base in Guam and or Narita? Going through the sim here and spoke to Brian Bolt for about thirty minutes. He mentioned that there was discussion about this possibility. Has any one else heard anything? It sounds a little far fetched, but right now I guess anything is possible.

There's been lots of talk about it, rumored 10+ 73N out there. Supposedly sometime next year and when the JAL deal gets announced we'll know more depending on the outcome.

Btw, welcome to poster status, now that you're no longer just a lurker you'll quickly need to apply for help as you've officially broken the ice ;)

Superpilot92 12-21-2009 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 731021)
I just sat three days of LC. Cleaned and painted my mudroom and got paid to do it. Tell me this isn't a great job.

yeah that's how it is for us on long call when we could hold it. I can't wait for the new rules to kick in on the 1st. I won't lie though, I had to look up what a mudroom was ;)

buzzpat 12-21-2009 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 730888)
You should be the last one they call, but there are lots of caveats. Probably the biggest thing is that not everyone on the list with lower raw scores are legal for a trip. I don't understand it, but I think the list will show people who are finishing a trip that day, but aren't legal yet. But if there is someone in your same day group (3 days of availablity, 4 days, etc) with a lower raw score who is legal, there should be no reason why they would get called for a trip before you. Now, I'm sure you know that people can sick out or have a problem when scheduling calls, which would give the trip to you.

As I understand it, who the scheduler picks for a trip is not at their discretion - when they need a trip covered, they generate a trip coverage report or something, and it lists pilots by employee number in coverage order to call. The computer figures out legalities, contractual issues and the like.

Thanks Rocky, Scoop and IAFlyer. Merry Christmas bros.

GunshipGuy 12-21-2009 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 730622)
Actually, ACL you bring up a very good point. After speaking to our NWA jumpseaters, it is clear, they do not understand the bid system. Rightfully so. It is new to them.

I even made the comment to one fella, "I see a lawsuit coming after this bid gets released" because I think enough will dork up their bidding and will lose a seat / position because of it.

IMHO, DAL north guys are getting ten-fold the instruction on PBS and bidding than I did as a new hire during the last cycle. Much of it is emailed out as a result of the merger, and thankfully a great effort has been made to get as much information out there as possible to make the transition less painful. Our class was probably the exception, but during indoc who ever was supposed to show up for the class on PBS didn't show that day. There were some slides available for downloading, but all in all, I would guess most new hires had to fend for themselves by using trial and error, and asking around for help in the crew room before flights.

Hopefully, this bank of documentation is kept available for future hires to make their experience a bit easier.

keenster 12-21-2009 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 731132)
IMHO, DAL north guys are getting ten-fold the instruction on PBS and bidding than I did as a new hire during the last cycle. Much of it is emailed out as a result of the merger, and thankfully a great effort has been made to get as much information out there as possible to make the transition less painful. Our class was probably the exception, but during indoc who ever was supposed to show up for the class on PBS didn't show that day. There were some slides available for downloading, but all in all, I would guess most new hires had to fend for themselves by using trial and error, and asking around for help in the crew room before flights.

Hopefully, this bank of documentation is kept available for future hires to make their experience a bit easier.


Well it has not helped very much because they all preached that at DAL south 90 % of pilots bid with only one bid group. So we should only bid with one bid group. What a crock of ----- that was. Until you fully understand the logic you will shoot yourself in the foot as I have twice so it is also trial and error for us as well. Have gone back to multiple bid groups to save my butt.

NuGuy 12-22-2009 02:18 AM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 731140)
Well it has not helped very much because they all preached that at DAL south 90 % of pilots bid with only one bid group. So we should only bid with one bid group. What a crock of ----- that was. Until you fully understand the logic you will shoot yourself in the foot as I have twice so it is also trial and error for us as well. Have gone back to multiple bid groups to save my butt.

Same here.

Nu

Sink r8 12-22-2009 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
how can you rarely sit LC when they're limited to assigning you 6 SC's a month?



Originally Posted by FrankCobretti (Post 731021)
I just sat three days of LC. Cleaned and painted my mudroom and got paid to do it. Tell me this isn't a great job.

Frank/Superpilot92,

Frank sat 3 days of LC not just in any winter (it can happen, I agree), but this winter. The winter of extra pilots. The winter of "maybe they will furlough" (have we forgotten already?). The winter of scrounging for WS. The winter of senior guys taking day-trips to complete their month.

I worked under the new system recently, and I stand by my assertion: you're usually either on SC, or flying. Some months you hit the max SC, some months you get close.

Of course, my experience was when we had 8 SC/month. Maybe this is a little better.

I don't have time to wrap up a thorough discussion on this (Christmas planning going on), so I'm left to wish you Happy Holidays.

Regards,

"Sink r8"

Superpilot92 12-22-2009 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 731153)
Originally Posted by Superpilot92 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
how can you rarely sit LC when they're limited to assigning you 6 SC's a month?




Frank/Superpilot92,

Frank sat 3 days of LC not just in any winter (it can happen, I agree), but this winter. The winter of extra pilots. The winter of "maybe they will furlough" (have we forgotten already?). The winter of scrounging for WS. The winter of senior guys taking day-trips to complete their month.

I worked under the new system recently, and I stand by my assertion: you're usually either on SC, or flying. Some months you hit the max SC, some months you get close.

Of course, my experience was when we had 8 SC/month. Maybe this is a little better.

I don't have time to wrap up a thorough discussion on this (Christmas planning going on), so I'm left to wish you Happy Holidays.

Regards,

"Sink r8"

I understand, my point isn't whether or not we'll be flying but that this policy is by far better than what we had at NWA. I'd much rather get called from home to go fly than to have to sit in a crashpad 15+ days a month on SC waiting for the same calls. With that said, Happy Holidays to you as well.

Denny Crane 12-22-2009 06:29 AM

Just came across this and thought some might find it interesting in light of us losing, what was the estimate for 2009, something like $1.2 billion? Pay particular attention to number 10.

10 Greediest People of 2009 | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet

Merry Christmas!!

Denny

Gunfighter 12-22-2009 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 731140)
Until you fully understand the logic you will shoot yourself in the foot as I have twice so it is also trial and error for us as well. Have gone back to multiple bid groups to save my butt.

Using EasyBid is a good way to go step by step through the bid logic. It shows you exactly how you are aiming the rifle and just where you pull the trigger. I've aimed squarely at my big toe several times and caught the mistake by stepping through the logic.

It's worth using for at least a couple bid cycles to get the hang of the logic. Another favorite feature is the ability to analyze the bids after they come out and see exactly what trips were available at your seniority level. It's useful for revising next month's bid.

JobHopper 12-22-2009 07:39 AM

iCrew help
 
I suppose I could spend a few days wading through reams of transition bulletins, but I thought it would be easier just to ask here:

1. Exactly how is short call coded on your schedule, and how do you know if it is AM or PM?

2. How do I "acknowledge" assignment to short call? Is simply looking at my schedule good enough or is there some magic checkbox buried in iCrew I need to select?

Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all!

acl65pilot 12-22-2009 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 731234)
I suppose I could spend a few days wading through reams of transition bulletins, but I thought it would be easier just to ask here:

1. Exactly how is short call coded on your schedule, and how do you know if it is AM or PM?

2. How do I "acknowledge" assignment to short call? Is simply looking at my schedule good enough or is there some magic checkbox buried in iCrew I need to select?

Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all!

When you check your sked after 1500 base time (day prior)as required by the contract it will pop up like a trip assignment. Just but in your I-crew password and that shows you have accepted the assignment.
It will show up in the second most right column as a time. It just shows the start time.

You can either ack it on i-crew or via the vru. Just make sure you do it via one of the just after 1500.

capncrunch 12-22-2009 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 731195)
Just came across this and thought some might find it interesting in light of us losing, what was the estimate for 2009, something like $1.2 billion? Pay particular attention to number 10.

10 Greediest People of 2009 | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet

Merry Christmas!!

Denny

It's Christmas all year long for #10. His parachute is so golden his feet will never touch the ground.

JobHopper 12-22-2009 08:00 AM

Thanks, ACL!

maddogmax 12-22-2009 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 731239)
When you check your sked after 1500 base time (day prior)as required by the contract it will pop up like a trip assignment. Just but in your I-crew password and that shows you have accepted the assignment.
It will show up in the second most right column as a time. It just shows the start time.

You can either ack it on i-crew or via the vru. Just make sure you do it via one of the just after 1500.

You can also go to open time, RSV availabilty for the current or next day and it will show if you are on shortcall and the times.

maddogmax 12-22-2009 09:25 AM

Anyone been to DCA lately. Wondering if we have combined our operations into the new terminal yet?

acl65pilot 12-22-2009 09:45 AM

Only one station left. PHL.

dl_1011 12-22-2009 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 731264)
Anyone been to DCA lately. Wondering if we have combined our operations into the new terminal yet?


We moved this past Thursday.

DL

UncleSam 12-22-2009 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 731256)
You can also go to open time, RSV availabilty for the current or next day and it will show if you are on shortcall and the times.

MADDOGMAX,

I would warn you against using that method to check your own status since some schedulers do not update that list until late in the day. That also is not an acceptable way to "check your schedule." You could be assigned to SC on your schedule but it might not be on the availability list. Once that list is visible and you are not on it, then you most likely will not have it on your schedule.

scambo1 12-22-2009 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 731271)
Only one station left. PHL.


Huh? I missed the context.

whitt767 12-22-2009 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 731195)
Just came across this and thought some might find it interesting in light of us losing, what was the estimate for 2009, something like $1.2 billion? Pay particular attention to number 10.

10 Greediest People of 2009 | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet

Merry Christmas!!

Denny

I'm not intending to be a management defender, but... that website is extremely biased and probably has some sort of an agenda. I'd check the facts before believing anything on it.

Superpilot92 12-22-2009 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 731286)
Huh? I missed the context.

;) .


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 731264)
Anyone been to DCA lately. Wondering if we have combined our operations into the new terminal yet?


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 731271)
Only one station left. PHL.


rvr350 12-22-2009 10:38 AM

On another note, our stock reached $12 again, yippie...

iaflyer 12-22-2009 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 731284)
MADDOGMAX,

I would warn you against using that method to check your own status since some schedulers do not update that list until late in the day. That also is not an acceptable way to "check your schedule." You could be assigned to SC on your schedule but it might not be on the availability list. Once that list is visible and you are not on it, then you most likely will not have it on your schedule.

Correct - and if you don't acknowledge your SC via checking your schedule and inputting your DBMS password, they will call you a few hours before SC starts to remind you - but I think it's only 3 hours prior, so if you commute - you could be screwed.

UncleSam 12-22-2009 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 731305)
Correct - and if you don't acknowledge your SC via checking your schedule and inputting your DBMS password, they will call you a few hours before SC starts to remind you - but I think it's only 3 hours prior, so if you commute - you could be screwed.

And there is no guarantee that they will call you at all. You could stubble upon the fact that you are supposed to start SC in less than an hour at a city hundreds of miles away. Scheduling is under no obligation to call you if you have a mandatory "schedule check" after they post the SC. This could be after 3 PM or it could be when you return from a trip. Mandatory schedule check by a reserve pilot within 30 mins after return from trip. IF you deviate from DH, check must occur after originally scheduled DH or your deviation, whichever is later. Been burned by that one!

TwoDogs 12-22-2009 11:52 AM

Das Jet or Das Leave
 
Is there a process or discussion about being able to take a personal leave of absence? If so, does anyone know about how long, approval difficulty, etc? I'm just thinking with the Summer flying and other "consolidation" of flying, I'd rather take leave than commute to reserve.

UncleSam 12-22-2009 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by TwoDogs (Post 731325)
Is there a process or discussion about being able to take a personal leave of absence? If so, does anyone know about how long, approval difficulty, etc? I'm just thinking with the Summer flying and other "consolidation" of flying, I'd rather take leave than commute to reserve.

TwoDogs,

Last CP conversation I had he stated that PLOA was relatively easy at this time since they are overstaffed. Just call the CPSC and ask them how to start the process. I know you need to have it approved 30 days before the bid period in which it take effect. Not sure they would grant a leave through the summer without a good reason.

KC10 FATboy 12-22-2009 12:07 PM

They have no flying lines right now .. not many are taking it.

nwaf16dude 12-22-2009 12:10 PM

Ok, probably asked and answered two or three times on here already, but if you are an unqualified bidder awaiting training (ie return from long mil leave, not current in any jet), what do you get paid while you wait for training, and what do you get for a full month of nothing but training?

Mem9guy 12-22-2009 12:18 PM

I'm looking for the web page for the leather guy in Mumbia. I think his website is Bombay Crew Mall or something like that...

Thanks

sevenfiveseven 12-22-2009 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 731340)
I'm looking for the web page for the leather guy in Mumbia. I think his website is Bombay Crew Mall or something like that...

Thanks

Rodeo Drive

ask for Anil!

Mem9guy 12-22-2009 12:59 PM

That was the one!

Thanks

BigGuns 12-22-2009 01:16 PM

Just another day in the JFK ops....

Police called in to help with JFK airport crowd - Yahoo! Finance

Scoop 12-22-2009 01:29 PM

Former DAL Pilot and Marine stops robbery. :)

Semper Fi!

Plantation, FL Last week police were called to investigate an attempted armed robbery: The 71-year-old retired Marine who opened fire on two robbers at a Plantation, FL, Subway shop late Wednesday, killing one and critically wounding the other, is described as John Lovell, a former helicopter pilot for two presidents. He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, and he works out every day. Mr. Lovell was a man of action Wednesday night. According to Plantation police, two masked gunmen came into the Subway at 1949 N. Pine Rd. just after 11 p.m. There was a lone diner, Mr. Lovell, who was finishing his meal. After robbing the cashier, the two men attempted to shove Mr. Lovell into a bathroom and rob him as well. They got his money, but then Mr. Lovell pulled his handgun and opened fire. He shot one of the thieves in the head and chest and the other in the head. When police arrived, they found one of the men in the shop, K-9 Units found the other in the bushes of a nearby business. They also found cash strewn around the front of the sandwich shop according to Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department. Both men were taken to the Broward General Medical Center , where one, Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale is in critical but stable condition. A longtime friend of Lovell was not surprised to hear what happened. The friend said, ''He'd give you the shirt off his back, but he'd be mad as hell if someone tried to take the shirt off his back.'' Mr. Lovell was a pilot in the Marine Corps, flying former Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.. He later worked as a pilot for Pan Am and Delta Airlines. He is not expected to be charged authorities said. ''He was in fear for his life,'' Detective Rettig said, "These criminals ought to realize that most men in their 70s have military backgrounds and aren't intimidated by idiots." Something tells me this old Marine wasn't 'in fear for his life', even though his life was definitely at risk. The only thing he could be charged with is participating in an unfair fight. One 71- year young Marine against two punks. Two head shots and one center body mass shot... Outstanding shooting! That'll teach them not to get between a Marine and his meal.

Chalk one up for the good guys!


Scoop

johnso29 12-22-2009 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 731333)
They have no flying lines right now .. not many are taking it.


Or they're just not giving them out. Seems silly.



Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 730751)
Yeah sorry, I've been pretty busy lately.
Can't be the augmentation rules because they've been in place now for 2 months. For Jan we have about 138 line holders and 60 plus on reserve. Unbelievably fat on Captains. Yet no PIRP's until March/April and no NFL's. I put in for NFL's back in October all the way through April and I was denied. Like I said man...I just don't get it.

Carl


DeltaA320 12-22-2009 01:53 PM

I love how they say were overstaffed, but I've been called twice today for inverse assignments with premium pay on the 320 in DTW, but I can't work them since I need my 24 in 7. Talk about a bummer!


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