Please don't post stories that are 3 years old. If you do, at least put a date on it so people know it's old news.

Maybe he didn't know the date of it, looks like maybe it came as an email. Nonetheless I'm glad he posted it as it was a good story.

We were always shortstaffed on the North side, overstaffed currently on the south side. Plus I'm sure with the storm on the East coast a lot of people will be out of position. Better to be under vs over.

Anyone use the Navtech PBS desktop utility? I am trying to export the calender from the program to my Outlook and it never works. Wonder if it is a problem from Navtech or user error. Thanks

$9.95/month for Easybid is money well spent.

NVM user error, I figured it out. Now incorporated into Outlook Calender.

Nevermind.........

Oh, Merry Christmas. :)

quick off topic question
 

Anyone know the best way to get new pages for your passport without having to send it in to an agency to put in the new pages? Don't really want to pay for a new passport.

If you happen to be near a US Consulate or Embassy you can swing by and have them do it. I did that in Hong Kong once.

Merry Christmas y'all!

Getting Removed from a rotation for an OE
 

Guys,

Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do.

Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with.

I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report??

Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation."


Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)?

Thanks in advance...Philly

For questions like this, just call the union. They will have the answer on what you should do.

I was in a similar situation the first month I was with the company. I called the union, and found out what I needed to know.

This is one of those things we lost in the concessions before I was here. I agree with you. It sucks.

Yep, call them, but you are at top of the reserve list if they notify you prior to report. If you are notified at report things change.

He should just call in sick. Why deal with this stress?

Merry Christmas! :D

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28k recovery: It's like getting a titty twister from scheduling.

OUUUUUUUUUCHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Nice pic!

80, you're like that FNC show Red Eye, comedy and facts at 2am.

I'd hate to be a commuter and get 23K'd. What is it again, if you haven't shown then they have 6 hours after your show to assign you something and it must be done by midnight of the last day of your original trip or 4 hours after you were supposed to originally sign in, whichever is later. So if you're original trip ended at 1045am then they can fly you to midnight but if ended at 1045pm then they can fly you up until 4 hours after 1045pm which is 245 in the am.

Is that right? Oh mighty lamp shade dog of the midnight hour?

And you guys wonder why we lost our great sick leave program we used to have??? :mad::mad:

I think that was a joke aimed at you - it obviously missed :cool:

Careful that might be considered "underboob" :rolleyes: ;)

<--------wow.

I knew that sarcastic post would get pineapple guy out.

OK guys, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, I've lost my sense of humor. But I've seen an awful lot of MY contractual benefits negotiated away over the years because a small percentage of guys abuse the system, and I'm really tired of that.

When guys then come on here and openly admit it, my brain tilts.

Merry Christmas to all; guess I need to take a break from this place too....

23K recovery blows, it's been covered thoroughly on the DALPA site and it's a unanimous choice on the list of things that need fixin'.

In your situation, I would look up the LCA and give him a call. He doesn't know if you're a commuter or local, and when he releases you determines
your chances of getting nailed. Release you early so you don't have to commute, schedulers have a better chance of fitting you for something. Release you later, they may not be able to use you.

Having said all that, I seem to remember they can't release you too early, in case either the LCA or OE guy sicks out.

Call the LCA. He knows the release rules and will probably do what he can to help you.

I hear you. When one pilot soils himself we all get forced to wear diapers (no age 65 jokes please :p)

Seriously I think as legit a problem as the abusers are, so is a management that wants to use a blunt instrument for a very small problem, and us accepting it and turning our wrath on the few individuals involved rather than the endemic problem of any excuse possible being used further justification for cost saving policies.

I think the ALPA offices are closed, either way.....Philly check your PM's

Try posting on the DALPA forum in the scheduling section. You will get the correct gouge there.

My advice is for you to plan on commuting in as scheduled until you hear otherwise from scheduling or LCP.

Merry Christmas

Good advice to live by.

I have known about a IOE for weeks and at the last minute the LCA sicks out and you go fly your trip.

Maybe we should start self policing these issues instead of letting the company change the policies of our PWA. We used to do a lot more of that. It keeps the company out of it.

Blanket party??? :eek:

Only with Super's coeds!

Sure beats getting benefits taken away because of a few. Ya know Pro Stan does a lot of work like this too!

Thats what i'm talking about!!! \m/ Hook'em!!

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The question is why did the union allow it to be taken away because of the 2-3%s. I asked Steenland why they were trying to sack our sick leave policy...he said we had some individuals that abused the policy..my reply was to take care of the problem rather than using a the broad brush. Steenland than said, it was just an opening position, part of the negotiation.

You lost them because you voted yes to the worst major airline concessionary contract in history. You voted yes to a contract that preserved wide body QOL and essentially downgraded narrow body guys to FAR flying with almost zero scheduling efficiency (ex, 5 day trips worth 25 hours, 3 to almost 5 hour sits each day, 0600 report day 1, 1900 finish day 5). And when those below you got burned out in said environment, they call in sick, as they should (not fit to fly). I remember seeing 9 Captains with 9 to 10 days off a month, ***... Great airplane and schedule for slugging it out in a winter northeast, 21 days a month. Please... Get of your high horse.

"Did you order the code red"?

Careful now. If IC ALL sees this he'll label it as flamebait & give you an infraction. :rolleyes:

You too Super. Remember, he sees all.

Gentlemen, he has a point.

In related news, the Rats at JFK made the cover story of the USA Today in their article about how unsafe airport food is.

IMHO life on the road is not nearly as healthy as getting the good food and rest that come with a more normal schedule. I very rarely call in sick, but I'm not going to criticize those who look at a revised schedule and decide they just aren't up to it. Pilots manage their rest and nutrition as best they can. But, when you throw them a curve (worst international example I heard of was 31 hours without rest) then some guys are going to make a GOOD decision and decide not to continue.

Most of us got into this gig because we like flying and we enjoy the work. Most of us aren't looking to get out of flying, particularly when re-routes tend to work out better for pay. But I've noticed guys who get 24K'd into the double red eye Manaus trip tend to nearly always sick out and frankly, that makes sense. Some airports have recommended precautions like Malarone pills and DEET which a pilot might not be carrying for a planned Seattle overnight.

Police Called to Quell Unruly (DELTA) Passengers at J.F.K.

By A. G. SULZBERGER

As New York City airports struggled to recover from the crowds and delays caused by hundreds of canceled flights over the weekend, passengers vying to get on one overbooked flight at Kennedy International Airport became so angry that airport police had to be called in, officials said.

The episode occurred Tuesday morning when passengers — who had already been waiting two days to be put on a flight to Haiti, after their initial plane was grounded by the snowstorm — were told that the flight was overbooked and that they would have to wait another day. Some in the crowd responded angrily and the Port Authority police were called in to restore order, said Susan Elliott, a spokeswoman for Delta Air Lines.

“The crowds got very unruly,” said Steven Coleman, a spokesman from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. “People were yelling and screaming, and nobody at Delta wanted this to escalate any further.” He said that the scene was quieted within an hour.

The airline said it had added a second flight to Haiti on Wednesday to accommodate the remaining passengers, who have been provided with meals and lodging since the initial flight was canceled Sunday, Ms. Elliott said. “It’s been a challenging few days,” she added. “For the most part, passengers we deal with understand that we’re not in control of the weather.”

Over the weekend, 550 flights were canceled at Kennedy, 400 at Newark Liberty and 250 at La Guardia. The cancellations have created cascading delays through the busy holiday travel season. While there were no other reported scenes of passenger uprisings, the frustration was widely shared.

Two German tourists, Steffen Bromberger, 31 and Simone Ziebell, 29, were among the passengers who had been camped out at Kennedy Airport since Sunday night, when their return flight to Germany was abruptly canceled. Their luggage, however, did make it to Frankfurt — leaving them without provisions –- and the airline did not provide food or lodging. “In five years, we’ll be laughing about this,” Mr. Bromberger said. “But I do think it’s important to get home and get new underwear.”

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You should've seen the passengers on my flight to MSP the other day... content erased. No need to put our dirty laundry on the internet. :( Although I did post this article.... I guess I'm a hypocrite.