Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-20-2010 | 03:26 AM
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Read what FtB wrote and well no need in repeating it.
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08-20-2010 | 03:49 AM
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08-20-2010 | 03:55 AM
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Why not a UPS type of pay scale where a 15 year CA, for example, pays the same whether one flies the DC-9 or 747? I would think plenty of senior guys would love to fly day trips and not effectively take years off their lives by continuous time zone changes and back of the clockers.
The biggest argument against that that I have heard is what if something bigger comes along? What if a jet with better efficiencies arrives? We would be giving away the leverage. There is a point to that.
There are pros and cons to both sides.
08-20-2010 | 03:58 AM
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What I take from what FtB wrote is this. A investor used the sector and wider market pressures to put a "Put" in. Simply it is a bet against the future.
08-20-2010 | 04:16 AM
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I agree that the 747 "should" pay more than the 777, but we already gave that up on our current PWA. Rather than spend negotiating capital on separating them back out, I felt that the 747 as the benchmark for all widebody rates helps to bring all of the others in its category up.
I think it would be a waste of negotiating capital to bring up the rates of a dying fleet. Sure we might see a short term growth of the category, but I doubt they will be here in 2018 and beyond. Unless Boeing and or DAL come up with a more efficient way to operate a 4 engine behemoth, it will be replaced by 777-300 or smaller a/c overflying the hubs....a la 787.
08-20-2010 | 04:20 AM
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Sinca, correct. 777-300's and the 787-900 and 1000, A350-XXXX will be the jets of the future. Four engines are very nice, but it does not seems to be the way or the world.
If I recall there are no public orders for a passenger variant of the 747-800i correct?
If I recall there are no public orders for a passenger variant of the 747-800i correct?
08-20-2010 | 04:44 AM
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Lufthansa is the launch customer for the passenger 747 800. I believe however they are the only one to order it to date.
08-20-2010 | 05:04 AM
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I disagree....
I think it would be a waste of negotiating capital to bring up the rates of a dying fleet. Sure we might see a short term growth of the category, but I doubt they will be here in 2018 and beyond. Unless Boeing and or DAL come up with a more efficient way to operate a 4 engine behemoth, it will be replaced by 777-300 or smaller a/c overflying the hubs....a la 787.
I think it would be a waste of negotiating capital to bring up the rates of a dying fleet. Sure we might see a short term growth of the category, but I doubt they will be here in 2018 and beyond. Unless Boeing and or DAL come up with a more efficient way to operate a 4 engine behemoth, it will be replaced by 777-300 or smaller a/c overflying the hubs....a la 787.
I agree. That is why I say to use one pay scale for the 747, 777, 787, 330, 767-400. I only used the 747 as the "benchmark" because it will still be here at the beginning of the next contract, and it would give us the highest rate using any of the "outdated" pay formula's that we have always used.
08-20-2010 | 05:05 AM
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