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Old 08-20-2010, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by crazypilot View Post
ok question!!!\

if your a reserve guy international.../...and your plane breaks so you have to fly into your * day (golden day off) do you get paid more?? get the day off back??

thanks for the help

i looked in the pwa and from what i see i get nadda!!!
was wanting the day off back!!
I believe you get a payback day, & it should not start until AFTER your in domicile rest. No extra $$$ though. Nice that there are ramifications to flying us into golden days.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
Doh, that is correct. Aren't they the Lunch customer for the C-Series too?
I believe Republic is the launch (lunch) customer of the C series, if I am not mistaken.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia View Post
I believe Republic is the launch (lunch) customer of the C series, if I am not mistaken.
I believe Lufthansa ordered theirs before RAH.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
I believe Lufthansa ordered theirs before RAH.
They did. RJET is the North American Launch Customer.

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Launch

On 13 July 2008, in a press conference on the eve of the opening of the Farnborough Airshow, Bombardier Aerospace announced the launch of the CSeries, with a letter of interest for 60 aircraft (including 30 options) from Lufthansa. The final assembly of the aircraft would be done at a new assembly facility to be built beside the existing one where the CRJ700 and CRJ900 are assembled in Mirabel, north of Montreal.[12] Ghafari Associates will work on redeveloping the Montreal manufacturing site to accommodate CSeries production.[13] The CSeries aircraft will use the Rockwell Collins Pro Line Fusion avionics suite, an integrated cockpit system made up of 15 inch displays, with comprehensive navigation, communications, surveillance, engine indication and crew alerting system (EICAS), and aircraft maintenance systems.[14]
The CSeries is designed for the 100- to 149-seat market category. This market is estimated by Bombardier at 19,333[15] aircraft representing more than $250 billion revenue over the next 20 years. Bombardier expects to be able to capture up to half of this market with the CSeries, currently projected to enter service in 2013.[1] First flight for the CSeries is expected in 2012.[16]
Mongolian airline Eznis Airways has a letter of interest for seven CSeries. Qatar Airways had previously been in talks with Bombardier, but broke off talks after disagreeing on terms.[17] An unnamed lessor was understood to be in talks for 40 aircraft.[18]
On 11 March 2009, Bombardier announced their first firm orders for the CSeries. Lufthansa, who originally had signed a letter of interest for 60 aircraft, firmed up an order for 30.[19] The aircraft will be operated by Lufthansa subsidiary Swiss European Air Lines. Bombardier also announced that the C110 and C130 were being redesignated the CS100 and CS300, respectively.[20] On 30 March 2009, Bombardier inked the second CSeries order, with airliner lessor Lease Corporation International (LCI) of Dublin, Ireland ordering 3 CS100s and 17 CS300s, becoming the launch customer of the latter.[21] LCI also hold options for a further 20 aircraft.[22]
The CSeries program has several major suppliers including, Shenyang Aircraft (centre fuselage), Alenia Aeronautica (horizontal and vertical stabilisers), Fokker Elmo (wiring and interconnection systems), Goodrich (flap and slat actuation systems), and Rockwell Collins (avionics).[23]
Republic Airways Holdings ordered 40 CS300 aircraft with options for an additional 40 in February 2010.[24] In March 2010, EasyJet stated that the company is having “ongoing discussions with Bombardier regarding CSeries.[25]
Deliveries of the CS100 are expected to start in 2013, and CS300 deliveries are to follow a year later.[26]
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by crazypilot View Post
ok question!!!\

if your a reserve guy international.../...and your plane breaks so you have to fly into your * day (golden day off) do you get paid more?? get the day off back??

thanks for the help

i looked in the pwa and from what i see i get nadda!!!
was wanting the day off back!!

As I understand it, there is no premium pay until a international arrival is over 30 hrs late. If you were flown in to your * day by no fault of the company it will result in then giving you the day back.

12. An international category reserve pilot who flies an ocean crossing on an X-day due to an
IA, GS or reroute will be given 13 hours free of duty upon his release at the completion
of his rotation.
a. His X-day(s) will begin immediately following such 13-hour period and will continue
until he has received a period of 24 hours free of duty for each interrupted and
remaining X-day in his scheduled X-day block.
b. If the remaining days in the bid period are insufficient to contain the X-day(s), the
pilot will be granted an additional day(s) off under Section 23 S. 16.



All Star days are, are day they can not "knowingly" schedule you in to. You can be used, but the day has to come back like any X day.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia View Post
Why not a UPS type of pay scale where a 15 year CA, for example, pays the same whether one flies the DC-9 or 747? I would think plenty of senior guys would love to fly day trips and not effectively take years off their lives by continuous time zone changes and back of the clockers.
I agree. I fail to see how the above example would not be beneficial to the company and yet help out a number of pilots at the same time. If new metal shows up on property then we negotiate the hourly rates higher, not rocket science.
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
As I understand it, there is no premium pay until a international arrival is over 30 hrs late. If you were flown in to your * day by no fault of the company it will result in then giving you the day back.

12. An international category reserve pilot who flies an ocean crossing on an X-day due to an
IA, GS or reroute will be given 13 hours free of duty upon his release at the completion
of his rotation.
a. His X-day(s) will begin immediately following such 13-hour period and will continue
until he has received a period of 24 hours free of duty for each interrupted and
remaining X-day in his scheduled X-day block.
b. If the remaining days in the bid period are insufficient to contain the X-day(s), the
pilot will be granted an additional day(s) off under Section 23 S. 16.



All Star days are, are day they can not "knowingly" schedule you in to. You can be used, but the day has to come back like any X day.
At least a reserve guy gets his day off back. A line holder gets totally screwed. You lose a day off and you don't get extra pay (if it's mechanical). Yet, one more thing to fix in this contract.
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:07 AM
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DL you do if on an international flight you are over 30 hrs late.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot View Post
DL you do if on an international flight you are over 30 hrs late.
Not the way that I am reading. That is only for normal reroutes...not for situations beyond the company's control.

A rerouted regular pilot who is not scheduled to release within four hours of the
scheduled release of the last duty period of his original rotation, or within the same
calendar day of the last duty period of his original rotation, whichever is later, (the “time
limitation”) will receive single pay and credit (or the applicable pay, no credit for a GS,
GSWC, IA or IAWC) for the rotation as flown, plus half pay no credit for any duty
period(s) that extends beyond such time limitation.
Exception one: If such rerouted pilot is not scheduled to release at his base within such
time limitation due to a circumstance over which the Company does not have control
(e.g., pilot’s origin or destination airport closed, weather on pilot’s routing, mechanical
on pilot’s assigned aircraft) he will receive only single pay and credit (or the applicable
pay, no credit for a GS, GSWC, IA or IAWC) for the rotation as flown
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Exception two: The time limitation will be 30 hours for an international category pilot
when rerouted into, or while in, trans-oceanic operations.
Exception three: A rerouted pilot who is scheduled to be released at his base beyond the
time limitation will not be entitled to premium pay if he is again rerouted for the purpose
of releasing him at his base within the time limitation
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy View Post
Before anybody beats me up over the 747, go back and read my three tier pay proposal from yesterday. I only said in response to someone that in our current pay system that the 747 should pay more than the 777. This is not what I have proposed for moving forward.

I personally don't care how many engines something has. I just want to come up with a logical way to improve the value of a Delta pilot career from start to finish...
I agree that the 747 should pay more, but if it did that would just give the company more reason to park them. With fences and WB ego's involved, the 747 and 777 will always pay the same, might as well get used to it and just hope to keep at least 16 of each until the fences come down.
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