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08-21-2010, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
...or it could be that a certain hypothetical group was complaining loudly about training by memo, and losing their ACARS, and all the other changes they had to make coming to the Amish system and generally complaining about everything including their hats and uniform. There were a lot of pilots who were used to riding in the back on a whale to NRT that were now going to be in the cockpit of an airplane they had had one bounce ride on. Maybe in order to quell the complaining they found some people that had more experience on THAT airplane to ride along to provide assistance when required. Maybe those people would try to find out deficiencies in training and let the company know so they could improve their training. Or maybe it is just another in an endless series of black helicopter conspiracies against the hypothetical group who thinks the entire world is out to get them.
You need to get used to the way we northies do things dude. We're not like you. We don't make excuses for the inexcusable. If something is inexplicable, we push and push to higher and higher levels until we either win, or there's nobody else higher to talk to. You can continue to just refer to that as complaining and whining. I'd be shocked if you ever did anything else.
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08-21-2010, 07:21 AM
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08-21-2010, 07:27 AM
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08-21-2010, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The hypothetical reason is that some have the view that a certain hypothetical group of recently merged flight crews lack professionalism. They were trying to collect data to prove that hypothesis.
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08-21-2010, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
...or it could be that a certain hypothetical group was complaining loudly about training by memo, and losing their ACARS, and all the other changes they had to make coming to the Amish system and generally complaining about everything including their hats and uniform. There were a lot of pilots who were used to riding in the back on a whale to NRT that were now going to be in the cockpit of an airplane they had had one bounce ride on. Maybe in order to quell the complaining they found some people that had more experience on THAT airplane to ride along to provide assistance when required. Maybe those people would try to find out deficiencies in training and let the company know so they could improve their training. Or maybe it is just another in an endless series of black helicopter conspiracies against the hypothetical group who thinks the entire world is out to get them.
I flew to Osaka a few weeks back with an ATL crew (great guys and had a blast working with) and the other FO had been tagged for the discussed purpose. Said he got a call from LLCA office the day prior to the flight and asked if wouldn't mind doing it and they faxed him the briefing guide. He was seriously PO'd that he was not being compensated for the position and questioned why the h**l the MEC was not digging their heals in to back the program as a designated, compensated position?
I think the idea is good, but if it's important enough to do right it's important enough to designate, train, and compensate pilots to do it. Not enough instructors - train more, ditto AQFO's, or create a AQFO "lite" soley for the Pacific theater. Also of note is it is all S crews "helping" N crews - are there no DTW or MSP 7ER pilots (where these rotations originate from) they could use for this function?
No black helicopters Alpha, just a philosophical difference where we get paid to help the company make money.
BTW, anyone notice the latest LOSA's program discussed in the flight ops update where we are going to use Retired Pilots to provide observations?!?!? Didn't know this was allowed and certainly hope the MEC didn't give the nod to this. Called the DTW Reps and they knew nothing about it.
08-21-2010, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Geeee T disagrees with me, what a shocker.
Well, how bout this.....we all had numerous "over water" trips to HNL, GUM, SPN, AMS and had been TOEd to CDG on the ER. As you said, not real tough.
Once again, I was glad the company cared enough to make sure things went smooth, but I disagree about a whale guy being a waste of $$. At least they had done Pacific crossings if that was really what they were concerned about.
Well, how bout this.....we all had numerous "over water" trips to HNL, GUM, SPN, AMS and had been TOEd to CDG on the ER. As you said, not real tough.
Once again, I was glad the company cared enough to make sure things went smooth, but I disagree about a whale guy being a waste of $$. At least they had done Pacific crossings if that was really what they were concerned about.
08-21-2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Maybe its on airways when you use FPS2. Under Worldflight we would quite often fly random routes to avoid turbulence or avoid altitude congestion or get better winds. NRT-SFO was quite often done on random tracks well south of NOPAC tracks for that reason.
HNL-Japan flights are done on flex routes, not published airways. There are/were actually two carriers doing a test program allowing them to change their flex route after each waypoint to take better advantage of updated wind data.
The plotting chart is a holdover from non-glass widebodies AND iirc some agreements with the FAA after some long forgotten GNE's. I could be mistaken about the GNE agreements. In any case its still useful if you get a reroute and its useful for plotting TPs for those that don't know how to build it in the box.
The only thing I agree with is that fNWA guys don't have a lot of experience in the 7ER. Most of them have 757 experience going on airways Class II to/from Hawaii. Having said that I am an ex 747/DC10 and current worthless 330 guy. In Asia I have many years doing JFK-Japan, MSP-Japan, ORD-Japan, SEA-Japan, PDX-Japan, SLC-Japan, SFO-Japan, LAX-Japan, ANC-Japan,HNL-Japan, HNL-Korea, HNL-SYD, HNL-GUM, Japan-GUM/SPN in both ETOPS and non-ETOPS aircraft and CPDLC and non-CPDLC/ADS aircraft. I guess I would have nothing new to offer to a 7ER crew flying over the Pacific.
HNL-Japan flights are done on flex routes, not published airways. There are/were actually two carriers doing a test program allowing them to change their flex route after each waypoint to take better advantage of updated wind data.
The plotting chart is a holdover from non-glass widebodies AND iirc some agreements with the FAA after some long forgotten GNE's. I could be mistaken about the GNE agreements. In any case its still useful if you get a reroute and its useful for plotting TPs for those that don't know how to build it in the box.
The only thing I agree with is that fNWA guys don't have a lot of experience in the 7ER. Most of them have 757 experience going on airways Class II to/from Hawaii. Having said that I am an ex 747/DC10 and current worthless 330 guy. In Asia I have many years doing JFK-Japan, MSP-Japan, ORD-Japan, SEA-Japan, PDX-Japan, SLC-Japan, SFO-Japan, LAX-Japan, ANC-Japan,HNL-Japan, HNL-Korea, HNL-SYD, HNL-GUM, Japan-GUM/SPN in both ETOPS and non-ETOPS aircraft and CPDLC and non-CPDLC/ADS aircraft. I guess I would have nothing new to offer to a 7ER crew flying over the Pacific.
Yeah yeah... Worldflight was way better than anything DAL has yada yada yada... I don't care. But on airways is on airways.. I don't care what flight planning system you use. But you apparently think it's worthwhile to do plotting charts when not required? Knock yourself out.. I'll be at Starbucks. And you have an impressive resume no doubt. I did all that in the Navy in a C-130 too. So would that qualify me to ride along in a 330 and suggest things that you might wanna think about? Really? If I were to ever fly the 330 or whale (ain't ever gonna happen) I would rather have one of ya'll along than some guy from the 737-800 that flew it 10 years ago for another company... Why so thin skinned people? geeeesh. DAL sent LCPs and some AQFOs along to help, and this is the reaction? Good grief...
08-21-2010, 09:07 AM
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Very nice, now we need some concrete evidence/news on the additional 747-400's.
08-21-2010, 09:11 AM
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