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Old 08-31-2010 | 08:29 AM
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Is there a way to find out which plane a newhire is going to? I know the guy, but then again I don't. I was just interested in knowing which fleet he was going to.
Old 08-31-2010 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Denny, probably not too much interpretation required. Here's the contract language from Section 3 B. 4. "If, as a result of that review, it is determined that, as of the date the review was triggered, the Delta top-of-scale 757 Captain composite hourly rate is less than 100% of the average of the top-of-scale 757 Captain hourly domestic day rates at United, American, USAir and Continental, the pilot composite hourly rates will be increased".

I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty clear to me.
Yes I read that earlier but, since our rate is a combined one and the ones I mentioned are separate, I was just wondering if there might be some wiggle room. If the United/Continental merger results in a significant increase, it will be interesting to see how the pay tables will be listed, like Continental's or United's. It could have an effect on us. Too bad USAir is in the mix.

It's also possible AA might have a contract by the end of that 18 month period too.............or maybe not.

Of course we will be in contract negotiations by then too but this could be a second bite or a bite we don't have to wait for with a new contract? That is provided this section is even activated by any raise for noncontract employees.

Curiosity on my part only.

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Old 08-31-2010 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Haven't even touched the Flight Ops page. Just opening up the pool for bets.
I'll go with a conservative opener then.
20 777 A/B ATL
20 747 A/B DTW
SLC 7ERA same as 767A
SLC 7ERB 767B +20

40 7ER A/B between ATL, NYC, DTW and SEA

Narrowbody TBD.
Old 08-31-2010 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Here is what I get from APC for 757 rates (CO is large narrowbody):

DL : 175
AMR : 174
CO : 169
UA : 159
US : 144

Average of other 4 is 161.50. We would need some big gains by CO/UA to bring up the average. Interesting question is whether after the merger, the CO/UA rate will be counted once in the average with three carriers, or twice in the average with four carriers. We get another 4% in Jan 2011 and Jan 2012 so that will require even bigger gains by CO/UA. Here's to hoping.
Alfa,

I would expect a JCBA between UA/CO to definitely pass our pay scales by. The question is by how much? If they don't then we will not be in a good position for our negotiations but I would think any contract they come up with that has lower than our pay scales would most probably be rejected by the membership.

As I mentioned to Pineapple, maybe AA will have a contract by then too. And US Air! Hey, 18 months is a long time........

My guess is the Company would be for whichever way would keep the pay lower and the Union for whichever way would increase pay more! Gee, that was a hard one!!

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Old 08-31-2010 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
The answer on the 717's is probably cost of ownership. How cheap can we lease them? That would be the deciding factor.
Agreed, and because there are not many buyers out there, that give leverage where leverage is needed.
Old 08-31-2010 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rahc

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
Typical Big Ten game....empty stadium. Doh!

Actually here's the 2009 attendance for the NCAA (Big 10 teams in red)

2009 NCAA DIVISION I FBS ATTENDANCE TEAM LEADERS
Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Michigan 8 871,464 108,933
2. Penn St. 8 856,066 107,008
3. Ohio St. 7 736,830 105,261
4. Texas 6 607,049 101,175
5. Tennessee 8 793,760 99,220
6. Georgia 6 556,476 92,746
7. LSU 7 647,420 92,489
8. Alabama 7 644,084 92,012
9. Florida 7 634,446 90,635
10. Nebraska 7 601,216 85,888
11. Southern California 6 508,796 84,799
12. Oklahoma 6 508,670 84,778
13. Auburn 8 676,911 84,614
14. Notre Dame 7 565,565 80,795
15. Wisconsin 7 560,764 80,109
Rank School G Attendance Average
16. Texas A&M 7 537,602 76,800
17. Clemson 7 530,553 75,793
18. South Carolina 7 527,580 75,369
19. Michigan St. 7 523,186 74,741
20. Florida St. 6 446,067 74,345
21. Iowa 7 491,499 70,214
22. Kentucky 7 487,156 69,594
23. Virginia Tech 6 397,398 66,233
24. Arkansas 7 455,783 65,112
25. UCLA 6 387,283 64,547
26. Washington 7 450,491 64,356
27. BYU 6 385,416 64,236
28. Missouri 6 384,719 64,120
29. Illinois 6 357,267 59,545
30. California 6 356,830 59,472



I'm guessing the Georgia attendance is a typo. Source - http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats...dance/2009.pdf
Not bad, 7 out of the top 30 and 3 out of the top 10. Almost as good as the SEC's 8 out of the top 30 and 5 out of the top 10!

Of course Ole Miss isn't shown but I think we all would like to hang out at an Ole Miss game.

FOOTBALL TRASH TALK!!!!

ahhhh.

You know though, out of all of those stadiums, if I was a visiting fan or a visiting football team I'd give anything to play in any of those 100,000+ seat stadiums then to ever, ever, ever go down to the cesspool that is LSU and play in that monster. That place would seat 200,000 if you let it, and it makes 92,000 sound like 250,000. Its really the worst place to have to play on a Saturday night and also the tackiest.

Best part, is when LSU informs the visiting teams not to identify their vehicles as being out of state and that they cannot investigate damage done to your vehicle during the game.



Originally Posted by Check Essential
Interesting stats.
Big Ten 1,2,3. And the next 3 Big Ten teams (Wisconsin, Iowa, Mich St) would be much higher on the list if their stadium capacity allowed it. They sell out pretty much every game.

Gotta admit however, the same could be said of several SEC teams.
Every game a sell out.
I think Tennessee and VaTech were considering playing at the NASCAR track in Bristol to set the record for the largest attendance to a football game. Maybe someone on here knows but like 150,000?
Old 08-31-2010 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by redblueskies
I think this is the first month since the merger I haven't moved up a single number due to a retirement or whatever, so that makes them even more welcome. Let's keep the relative seniority increasing one way or another. Looks like a minimum of 54 new people added to the list.

The Cat list is generated before the 5th of the preceding month. Wait until Sept 1, 2010 and look at the system seniority list.


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Old 08-31-2010 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Is there a way to find out which plane a newhire is going to? I know the guy, but then again I don't. I was just interested in knowing which fleet he was going to.

Simple walk in to class on day one and look at their name plates. It has their seat and base on em. They have bid for them prior to class this time around.
Old 08-31-2010 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
AE today???? Anyone??? Anyone???
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
It's too early for that much anticipation. Wait at least a week before starting the hourly refresh of the Flight Ops page.
Nothing yet, who wants to check next?





Old 08-31-2010 | 09:32 AM
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FtB;
They said the 6th, so I am taking them on their word that it will be on or about that date.
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