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09-01-2010 | 07:52 AM
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09-01-2010 | 07:52 AM
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Delta May Revive NYC Bid on Southwest at Newark, Analysts Say
By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein - Aug 31, 2010
Delta Air Lines Inc. may revive its bid to bulk up at New York’s LaGuardia airport after Southwest Airlines Co., the largest discount carrier, won the right to add service at nearby Newark, New Jersey, three analysts said.
Southwest’s expansion, announced last week, broadens competition in the busiest U.S. aviation market, said Helane Becker, an analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co. in New York. That opens the door for Delta to renew its case for more LaGuardia flight slots under a swap with US Airways Group Inc., she said.
New York is pivotal for Delta, which uses LaGuardia as a base for domestic flights and has an overseas hub at Kennedy airport. Delta and US Airways said in July they wouldn’t pursue their trade after the Federal Aviation Administration said they had to cede some operating rights to rivals. Southwest was excluded and urged regulators to kill the deal.
“Southwest is happy about Newark,” Becker said. “Now Delta and US Airways could go back to the FAA and say ‘Look, Southwest got what it wanted, so let us try again.’”
A Delta spokesman, Trebor Banstetter, wouldn’t discuss the airline’s LaGuardia strategy beyond saying that the Atlanta- based carrier is appealing the FAA decision. US Airways’ Jim Olson said: “We’re continuing to pursue our appeal.”
What’s new since Delta and US Airways walked away from their plan on July 2 is Southwest’s move into Newark. Dallas- based Southwest said Aug. 27 it would receive slots for 18 daily round trips there as UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc. scaled back to win approval of their merger.
‘New Fact’
“It’s certainly a new fact that should be taken into consideration,” said Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York.
Flights are capped at LaGuardia and Washington’s Reagan National, so carriers must swap slots in order to grow. Delta, the biggest airline at LaGuardia, proposed in March getting 110 new flight slots there in exchange for giving 37 slots to US Airways at Reagan, along with routes to Tokyo and Sao Paulo.
The FAA wanted Delta and Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways to make available 34 pairs of takeoff and landing slots to carriers with little or no service at LaGuardia or Reagan, saying the airports needed more competition. The 2 airlines offered 19 1/2 pairs and chose recipients including AirTran Holdings Inc. and JetBlue Airways Corp. Southwest wasn’t on their list.
Delta and US Airways may seek a settlement with regulators to keep more flights on the grounds that Southwest’s new slots at Newark enhanced New York-area competition, said William Swelbar, a research engineer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who specializes in airline economics.
‘No Doubt’
“Those conversations will happen, there is no doubt about that,” Swelbar said.
Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, declined to comment on the matter because of the ongoing litigation.
Southwest, which has failed to obtain space for more than eight daily flights at LaGuardia, is “still very interested in getting more slots” there should they become available, said Beth Harbin, a spokeswoman. The airline has declined to disclose the terms of the Newark transaction.
Delta rose 9 cents to $10.46 at 4:01 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, while US Airways gained 17 cents, or 1.9 percent, to $9.04. Southwest climbed 6 cents to $11.05.
Swelbar said other airlines are watching the Delta-US Airways appeal because the outcome will set a precedent for future attempts at slot trading, he said.
‘So Altered’
“The terms of the Delta-US Airways deal were so altered that it raised the question as to whether these slots are the property rights of the owners or not,” Swelbar said. “We still don’t know. If Delta and US Airways win that appeal, it would be a tremendous win for the whole industry.”
The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.
Winning a court appeal isn’t a sure thing, he said. Nor is it clear that the FAA would see Southwest’s new slots at Newark as injecting enough competition to temper Delta’s No. 1 position at LaGuardia, he said.
“Even though the two airports compete and overlap, I don’t know if the FAA is going to say ‘Good enough,’” Rein said. “They may still be worried about airport dominance.”
Delta May Revive NYC Bid on Southwest at Newark, Analysts Say
By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein - Aug 31, 2010
Delta Air Lines Inc. may revive its bid to bulk up at New York’s LaGuardia airport after Southwest Airlines Co., the largest discount carrier, won the right to add service at nearby Newark, New Jersey, three analysts said.
Southwest’s expansion, announced last week, broadens competition in the busiest U.S. aviation market, said Helane Becker, an analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co. in New York. That opens the door for Delta to renew its case for more LaGuardia flight slots under a swap with US Airways Group Inc., she said.
New York is pivotal for Delta, which uses LaGuardia as a base for domestic flights and has an overseas hub at Kennedy airport. Delta and US Airways said in July they wouldn’t pursue their trade after the Federal Aviation Administration said they had to cede some operating rights to rivals. Southwest was excluded and urged regulators to kill the deal.
“Southwest is happy about Newark,” Becker said. “Now Delta and US Airways could go back to the FAA and say ‘Look, Southwest got what it wanted, so let us try again.’”
A Delta spokesman, Trebor Banstetter, wouldn’t discuss the airline’s LaGuardia strategy beyond saying that the Atlanta- based carrier is appealing the FAA decision. US Airways’ Jim Olson said: “We’re continuing to pursue our appeal.”
What’s new since Delta and US Airways walked away from their plan on July 2 is Southwest’s move into Newark. Dallas- based Southwest said Aug. 27 it would receive slots for 18 daily round trips there as UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc. scaled back to win approval of their merger.
‘New Fact’
“It’s certainly a new fact that should be taken into consideration,” said Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York.
Flights are capped at LaGuardia and Washington’s Reagan National, so carriers must swap slots in order to grow. Delta, the biggest airline at LaGuardia, proposed in March getting 110 new flight slots there in exchange for giving 37 slots to US Airways at Reagan, along with routes to Tokyo and Sao Paulo.
The FAA wanted Delta and Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways to make available 34 pairs of takeoff and landing slots to carriers with little or no service at LaGuardia or Reagan, saying the airports needed more competition. The 2 airlines offered 19 1/2 pairs and chose recipients including AirTran Holdings Inc. and JetBlue Airways Corp. Southwest wasn’t on their list.
Delta and US Airways may seek a settlement with regulators to keep more flights on the grounds that Southwest’s new slots at Newark enhanced New York-area competition, said William Swelbar, a research engineer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who specializes in airline economics.
‘No Doubt’
“Those conversations will happen, there is no doubt about that,” Swelbar said.
Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, declined to comment on the matter because of the ongoing litigation.
Southwest, which has failed to obtain space for more than eight daily flights at LaGuardia, is “still very interested in getting more slots” there should they become available, said Beth Harbin, a spokeswoman. The airline has declined to disclose the terms of the Newark transaction.
Delta rose 9 cents to $10.46 at 4:01 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, while US Airways gained 17 cents, or 1.9 percent, to $9.04. Southwest climbed 6 cents to $11.05.
Swelbar said other airlines are watching the Delta-US Airways appeal because the outcome will set a precedent for future attempts at slot trading, he said.
‘So Altered’
“The terms of the Delta-US Airways deal were so altered that it raised the question as to whether these slots are the property rights of the owners or not,” Swelbar said. “We still don’t know. If Delta and US Airways win that appeal, it would be a tremendous win for the whole industry.”
The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.
Winning a court appeal isn’t a sure thing, he said. Nor is it clear that the FAA would see Southwest’s new slots at Newark as injecting enough competition to temper Delta’s No. 1 position at LaGuardia, he said.
“Even though the two airports compete and overlap, I don’t know if the FAA is going to say ‘Good enough,’” Rein said. “They may still be worried about airport dominance.”
Why are they always referrred to as a "discount carrier"?
09-01-2010 | 08:23 AM
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Delta finally has an Iphone App out today...Looks good. You need the 4.0 software update to load it.. It looks like for deadheading, you can acivate your listing right on the app and use the phone as a boarding ticket. Cool!!!
Now..If we could just get rid of the clipart on Icrew!!!
Now..If we could just get rid of the clipart on Icrew!!!
09-01-2010 | 09:00 AM
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Delta May Revive NYC Bid on Southwest at Newark, Analysts Say
By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein - Aug 31, 2010
Delta Air Lines Inc. may revive its bid to bulk up at New York’s LaGuardia airport after Southwest Airlines Co., the largest discount carrier, won the right to add service at nearby Newark, New Jersey, three analysts said.
Southwest’s expansion, announced last week, broadens competition in the busiest U.S. aviation market, said Helane Becker, an analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co. in New York. That opens the door for Delta to renew its case for more LaGuardia flight slots under a swap with US Airways Group Inc., she said.
New York is pivotal for Delta, which uses LaGuardia as a base for domestic flights and has an overseas hub at Kennedy airport. Delta and US Airways said in July they wouldn’t pursue their trade after the Federal Aviation Administration said they had to cede some operating rights to rivals. Southwest was excluded and urged regulators to kill the deal.
“Southwest is happy about Newark,” Becker said. “Now Delta and US Airways could go back to the FAA and say ‘Look, Southwest got what it wanted, so let us try again.’”
A Delta spokesman, Trebor Banstetter, wouldn’t discuss the airline’s LaGuardia strategy beyond saying that the Atlanta- based carrier is appealing the FAA decision. US Airways’ Jim Olson said: “We’re continuing to pursue our appeal.”
What’s new since Delta and US Airways walked away from their plan on July 2 is Southwest’s move into Newark. Dallas- based Southwest said Aug. 27 it would receive slots for 18 daily round trips there as UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc. scaled back to win approval of their merger.
‘New Fact’
“It’s certainly a new fact that should be taken into consideration,” said Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York.
Flights are capped at LaGuardia and Washington’s Reagan National, so carriers must swap slots in order to grow. Delta, the biggest airline at LaGuardia, proposed in March getting 110 new flight slots there in exchange for giving 37 slots to US Airways at Reagan, along with routes to Tokyo and Sao Paulo.
The FAA wanted Delta and Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways to make available 34 pairs of takeoff and landing slots to carriers with little or no service at LaGuardia or Reagan, saying the airports needed more competition. The 2 airlines offered 19 1/2 pairs and chose recipients including AirTran Holdings Inc. and JetBlue Airways Corp. Southwest wasn’t on their list.
Delta and US Airways may seek a settlement with regulators to keep more flights on the grounds that Southwest’s new slots at Newark enhanced New York-area competition, said William Swelbar, a research engineer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who specializes in airline economics.
‘No Doubt’
“Those conversations will happen, there is no doubt about that,” Swelbar said.
Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, declined to comment on the matter because of the ongoing litigation.
Southwest, which has failed to obtain space for more than eight daily flights at LaGuardia, is “still very interested in getting more slots” there should they become available, said Beth Harbin, a spokeswoman. The airline has declined to disclose the terms of the Newark transaction.
Delta rose 9 cents to $10.46 at 4:01 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, while US Airways gained 17 cents, or 1.9 percent, to $9.04. Southwest climbed 6 cents to $11.05.
Swelbar said other airlines are watching the Delta-US Airways appeal because the outcome will set a precedent for future attempts at slot trading, he said.
‘So Altered’
“The terms of the Delta-US Airways deal were so altered that it raised the question as to whether these slots are the property rights of the owners or not,” Swelbar said. “We still don’t know. If Delta and US Airways win that appeal, it would be a tremendous win for the whole industry.”
The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.
Winning a court appeal isn’t a sure thing, he said. Nor is it clear that the FAA would see Southwest’s new slots at Newark as injecting enough competition to temper Delta’s No. 1 position at LaGuardia, he said.
“Even though the two airports compete and overlap, I don’t know if the FAA is going to say ‘Good enough,’” Rein said. “They may still be worried about airport dominance.”
Delta May Revive NYC Bid on Southwest at Newark, Analysts Say
By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein - Aug 31, 2010
Delta Air Lines Inc. may revive its bid to bulk up at New York’s LaGuardia airport after Southwest Airlines Co., the largest discount carrier, won the right to add service at nearby Newark, New Jersey, three analysts said.
Southwest’s expansion, announced last week, broadens competition in the busiest U.S. aviation market, said Helane Becker, an analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co. in New York. That opens the door for Delta to renew its case for more LaGuardia flight slots under a swap with US Airways Group Inc., she said.
New York is pivotal for Delta, which uses LaGuardia as a base for domestic flights and has an overseas hub at Kennedy airport. Delta and US Airways said in July they wouldn’t pursue their trade after the Federal Aviation Administration said they had to cede some operating rights to rivals. Southwest was excluded and urged regulators to kill the deal.
“Southwest is happy about Newark,” Becker said. “Now Delta and US Airways could go back to the FAA and say ‘Look, Southwest got what it wanted, so let us try again.’”
A Delta spokesman, Trebor Banstetter, wouldn’t discuss the airline’s LaGuardia strategy beyond saying that the Atlanta- based carrier is appealing the FAA decision. US Airways’ Jim Olson said: “We’re continuing to pursue our appeal.”
What’s new since Delta and US Airways walked away from their plan on July 2 is Southwest’s move into Newark. Dallas- based Southwest said Aug. 27 it would receive slots for 18 daily round trips there as UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc. scaled back to win approval of their merger.
‘New Fact’
“It’s certainly a new fact that should be taken into consideration,” said Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York.
Flights are capped at LaGuardia and Washington’s Reagan National, so carriers must swap slots in order to grow. Delta, the biggest airline at LaGuardia, proposed in March getting 110 new flight slots there in exchange for giving 37 slots to US Airways at Reagan, along with routes to Tokyo and Sao Paulo.
The FAA wanted Delta and Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways to make available 34 pairs of takeoff and landing slots to carriers with little or no service at LaGuardia or Reagan, saying the airports needed more competition. The 2 airlines offered 19 1/2 pairs and chose recipients including AirTran Holdings Inc. and JetBlue Airways Corp. Southwest wasn’t on their list.
Delta and US Airways may seek a settlement with regulators to keep more flights on the grounds that Southwest’s new slots at Newark enhanced New York-area competition, said William Swelbar, a research engineer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who specializes in airline economics.
‘No Doubt’
“Those conversations will happen, there is no doubt about that,” Swelbar said.
Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, declined to comment on the matter because of the ongoing litigation.
Southwest, which has failed to obtain space for more than eight daily flights at LaGuardia, is “still very interested in getting more slots” there should they become available, said Beth Harbin, a spokeswoman. The airline has declined to disclose the terms of the Newark transaction.
Delta rose 9 cents to $10.46 at 4:01 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, while US Airways gained 17 cents, or 1.9 percent, to $9.04. Southwest climbed 6 cents to $11.05.
Swelbar said other airlines are watching the Delta-US Airways appeal because the outcome will set a precedent for future attempts at slot trading, he said.
‘So Altered’
“The terms of the Delta-US Airways deal were so altered that it raised the question as to whether these slots are the property rights of the owners or not,” Swelbar said. “We still don’t know. If Delta and US Airways win that appeal, it would be a tremendous win for the whole industry.”
The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.
Winning a court appeal isn’t a sure thing, he said. Nor is it clear that the FAA would see Southwest’s new slots at Newark as injecting enough competition to temper Delta’s No. 1 position at LaGuardia, he said.
“Even though the two airports compete and overlap, I don’t know if the FAA is going to say ‘Good enough,’” Rein said. “They may still be worried about airport dominance.”
Airport dominace? CF had a good breakdown of each airport if the swap went thru..... (sorry I don't know how to make the link smaller)
Feds Inflict Far Less Pain on Continental and United Than Attempted with the US Airways/Delta Slot Swap - >> The Cranky Flier
09-01-2010 | 09:39 AM
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Delta finally has an Iphone App out today...Looks good. You need the 4.0 software update to load it.. It looks like for deadheading, you can acivate your listing right on the app and use the phone as a boarding ticket. Cool!!!
Now..If we could just get rid of the clipart on Icrew!!!
Now..If we could just get rid of the clipart on Icrew!!!
09-01-2010 | 09:43 AM
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Not necessarily. I have a friend that was Trans States, I was XJT. We both quit the airline industry in 05. Quit, middle finger and all. You know how people say "if you don't like it, QUIT." Well, I did. I was sick of it and if you looked at Delta at that point in time it was very gloomy to ever get hired here. We both went on to do other things and we're both here at Delta.
We talk a lot and one of the things that comes up is "thank God I'm here." And I don't mean it as a flippant statement because divine intervention was necessary for either of us to be here and we are so very thankful that it worked out.
That said, it is that much better and it is why those of us who came from the regionals want to rectify it. We're not pulling up the ladder, we're dropping it down.
That was the key paragraph, I sure as hell hope our lawsuit sheds some light on what was going on in DC when it came to this slot swap. 
We talk a lot and one of the things that comes up is "thank God I'm here." And I don't mean it as a flippant statement because divine intervention was necessary for either of us to be here and we are so very thankful that it worked out.
That said, it is that much better and it is why those of us who came from the regionals want to rectify it. We're not pulling up the ladder, we're dropping it down.
Bloomberg
The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.
The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.
09-01-2010 | 10:08 AM
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Heyas,
Bummer about Comair. Karma can be a real biatch, sometimes.
I predicted ages ago that Comair would become the DCI version of Piedmont. Slim down to just enough lift to where ATL can pickup the phone and get lift someplace tomorrow to protect a slot pair, and thats about it.
This is why also why counting on the commuters to pull themselves up and "protect wages" is a fool's errand by ALPA. You can't do that unless you own the flying.
We should own it all here.
Nu
Bummer about Comair. Karma can be a real biatch, sometimes.
I predicted ages ago that Comair would become the DCI version of Piedmont. Slim down to just enough lift to where ATL can pickup the phone and get lift someplace tomorrow to protect a slot pair, and thats about it.
This is why also why counting on the commuters to pull themselves up and "protect wages" is a fool's errand by ALPA. You can't do that unless you own the flying.
We should own it all here.
Nu
09-01-2010 | 10:42 AM
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A question about CG. My month is October and was curious when they publish the dates for it. I'm sure its listed somewhere, but I'm just cluelesss as to where to look. Thanks.
09-01-2010 | 10:55 AM
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They have to post your training by the 5th.
You'll get a pop-up when you log into i-Crew or you can check "Training-VTS".
09-01-2010 | 11:03 AM
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Heyas,
Bummer about Comair. Karma can be a real biatch, sometimes.
I predicted ages ago that Comair would become the DCI version of Piedmont. Slim down to just enough lift to where ATL can pickup the phone and get lift someplace tomorrow to protect a slot pair, and thats about it.
This is why also why counting on the commuters to pull themselves up and "protect wages" is a fool's errand by ALPA. You can't do that unless you own the flying.
We should own it all here.
Nu
Bummer about Comair. Karma can be a real biatch, sometimes.
I predicted ages ago that Comair would become the DCI version of Piedmont. Slim down to just enough lift to where ATL can pickup the phone and get lift someplace tomorrow to protect a slot pair, and thats about it.
This is why also why counting on the commuters to pull themselves up and "protect wages" is a fool's errand by ALPA. You can't do that unless you own the flying.
We should own it all here.
Nu
As very junior Comair guy, I really wished that Delta owned all the flying (so hopefully I would have a shot at Delta as opposed to the unemployment line).
I know the whole history of Comair's MEC being rude to Delta folks.... and I'm sorry they acted like that. I was hired in 2007 by Comair. I wish I knew how bad the blood was before I went to Comair, because my main reason for going to Comair was to be a Delta FO at some point. The people in our old MEC were the same people who were telling FO's today that, "This announcement doesn't affect me much, i'm in the top 50." These people you hate-- well, we hate them too.
All I'm asking, is to please don't lump us together, and realize that some of us don't want to spend our lives at a regional, and believe it or not-- we aren't jerks like some of the super senior Comair folk.
Thanks,
Pilotguy143
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