Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-02-2010 | 12:19 PM
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But the pay clock was running
Taxi-out must be a lot smoother these days. We used to wait in line for ramp exit long enough to plug "War and Peace" into the FMS. 
09-02-2010 | 12:19 PM
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I don't think anybody has a problem plugging in the numbers on the fly...like I said, happens all of the time. What I have a real problem with is telling the tower that we need to stop, set the brakes, and plug them in because somebody in upper management thinks it'll be too much heads down time. As an LA guy who flies to JFK and ATL almost exclusively, DAL will become the most hated airline out there and I'll be biting my tongue every time. It'll be embarassing.
Change the procedure, get the numbers after the push, fine, but let us plug it in on the roll. We can handle it, we do it all the time. What world do these folks think we operate in? IAD in the simulator would be my guess.
Change the procedure, get the numbers after the push, fine, but let us plug it in on the roll. We can handle it, we do it all the time. What world do these folks think we operate in? IAD in the simulator would be my guess.
09-02-2010 | 12:27 PM
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. Really, it's not going to be that hard. Remember, you can always bid the 9 on the AE and then you won't have to plug in the numbers into on the fly.....
09-02-2010 | 12:32 PM
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I don't think anybody has a problem plugging in the numbers on the fly...like I said, happens all of the time. What I have a real problem with is telling the tower that we need to stop, set the brakes, and plug them in because somebody in upper management thinks it'll be too much heads down time. As an LA guy who flies to JFK and ATL almost exclusively, DAL will become the most hated airline out there and I'll be biting my tongue every time. It'll be embarassing.
Change the procedure, get the numbers after the push, fine, but let us plug it in on the roll. We can handle it, we do it all the time. What world do these folks think we operate in? IAD in the simulator would be my guess.
Change the procedure, get the numbers after the push, fine, but let us plug it in on the roll. We can handle it, we do it all the time. What world do these folks think we operate in? IAD in the simulator would be my guess.
JMHO: I think that mgt wants us to do it on the roll, but can't say it. Hence their procedure is to set the brake all while knowing it won't always be feasible and that it will get done on the roll (often let's say). Too much heat for the company if something happened while rolling on the taxiway if mgt makes it a procedure for every departure. Gives them the one and only get out of jail free card (we told you to stop). I think the runway change not being required every time is why they don't stop us from doing that one the fly. Again, JMHO. The bright side of all this is that the beacon can come on much faster as we will no longer be waiting on numbers!
YMMV...Philly
09-02-2010 | 12:32 PM
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Cycle Pilot,
I am glad you stated that it's just your opinion, because our previous procedures are broke as evidence of our on time performance this summer. These changes are not only for flight ops, but for ACS, load control and the below the wing staff as well. Lets just give it a chance before we call the system "just plain stupid". Who knows maybe it will work.....
I am glad you stated that it's just your opinion, because our previous procedures are broke as evidence of our on time performance this summer. These changes are not only for flight ops, but for ACS, load control and the below the wing staff as well. Lets just give it a chance before we call the system "just plain stupid". Who knows maybe it will work.....
I really haven't noticed the departure delays on the -88 that everybody's been talking about because of WDR issues. Maybe it's different in other fleets, but I rarely have to wait for the WDR.
09-02-2010 | 12:34 PM
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From my experience it is hit and miss. If you get caught in the middle, or tail end of a big push it is still like that. Occasionally we get lucky and cruise right out.
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09-02-2010 | 12:41 PM
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I don't think anybody has a problem plugging in the numbers on the fly...like I said, happens all of the time. What I have a real problem with is telling the tower that we need to stop, set the brakes, and plug them in because somebody in upper management thinks it'll be too much heads down time. As an LA guy who flies to JFK and ATL almost exclusively, DAL will become the most hated airline out there and I'll be biting my tongue every time. It'll be embarassing.
Change the procedure, get the numbers after the push, fine, but let us plug it in on the roll. We can handle it, we do it all the time. What world do these folks think we operate in? IAD in the simulator would be my guess.
Change the procedure, get the numbers after the push, fine, but let us plug it in on the roll. We can handle it, we do it all the time. What world do these folks think we operate in? IAD in the simulator would be my guess.
09-02-2010 | 12:47 PM
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Tom;
I want to know what FMS you had. The ones at DAL barely have enough memory for gate coordinates.
I want to know what FMS you had. The ones at DAL barely have enough memory for gate coordinates.
09-02-2010 | 12:48 PM
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Buzz,
JMHO: I think that mgt wants us to do it on the roll, but can't say it. Hence their procedure is to set the brake all while knowing it won't always be feasible and that it will get done on the roll (often let's say). Too much heat for the company if something happened while rolling on the taxiway if mgt makes it a procedure for every departure. Gives them the one and only get out of jail free card (we told you to stop). I think the runway change not being required every time is why they don't stop us from doing that one the fly. Again, JMHO. The bright side of all this is that the beacon can come on much faster as we will no longer be waiting on numbers!
YMMV...Philly
JMHO: I think that mgt wants us to do it on the roll, but can't say it. Hence their procedure is to set the brake all while knowing it won't always be feasible and that it will get done on the roll (often let's say). Too much heat for the company if something happened while rolling on the taxiway if mgt makes it a procedure for every departure. Gives them the one and only get out of jail free card (we told you to stop). I think the runway change not being required every time is why they don't stop us from doing that one the fly. Again, JMHO. The bright side of all this is that the beacon can come on much faster as we will no longer be waiting on numbers!
YMMV...Philly
09-02-2010 | 12:54 PM
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Buzz,
JMHO: I think that mgt wants us to do it on the roll, but can't say it. Hence their procedure is to set the brake all while knowing it won't always be feasible and that it will get done on the roll (often let's say). Too much heat for the company if something happened while rolling on the taxiway if mgt makes it a procedure for every departure. Gives them the one and only get out of jail free card (we told you to stop). I think the runway change not being required every time is why they don't stop us from doing that one the fly. Again, JMHO. The bright side of all this is that the beacon can come on much faster as we will no longer be waiting on numbers!
YMMV...Philly
JMHO: I think that mgt wants us to do it on the roll, but can't say it. Hence their procedure is to set the brake all while knowing it won't always be feasible and that it will get done on the roll (often let's say). Too much heat for the company if something happened while rolling on the taxiway if mgt makes it a procedure for every departure. Gives them the one and only get out of jail free card (we told you to stop). I think the runway change not being required every time is why they don't stop us from doing that one the fly. Again, JMHO. The bright side of all this is that the beacon can come on much faster as we will no longer be waiting on numbers!
YMMV...Philly
I know a better fix to this rube goldberg abomination of our procedures tryin to do what fNW procedures did extremely efficiently:
Block out time is when all the doors have closed on the plane. The beacon and the parking brake have no bearing.
Tada! D0 problems fixed, no flashing beacons long after we've parked, and we can do our numbers at the gate the way the current checklist design is optimum.
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