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Sink r8 09-16-2010 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 871375)
You mean like what is happening to the junior pilots currently under the AE system?

I don't think that you can look at just the bidding system separately. There are other things in each of the contracts that allowed the system to work effectively and relatively efficiently. ALV for the entire fleet does not allow the company as much flexibility in creating schedules without as much dh penalty. The NWA system allowed for the monthly maxes to vary by base/category/seat. I really don't care which system we use (I actually prefer the monthly system however), but no matter what system we use, there is no reason that we shouldn't be allowed to have more visibility into what everyone else is bidding (the NWA system was great in that it allowed you to see exactly who was bidding what and where that seat was in there overall preferences).

I remember it being established long ago, on a forum far, far away, that seeing what people bid, or having practice bids (I think FedEx does it) simply gives one more opportunity to game the system, by witholding their bid to the last minute. As such, it didn't work well, I'm told. What was your experience?

I agree that the preferences we see now are too vague to derive a clear picture of who might be bidding a category, but it's a necessary evil because it protects what I consider to be private info. I don't wan't people to see how I bid. I only want the pilots to have access to it after the fact, to make sure noone was cheated. Beyond that, it's not of anyone else's business, how I bid, or what I want. I look at it as proprietary info: if I spend hours sweating my PBS bid, I own it. Same for the AE.

I do feel, however, that the comapny has too much freedom with the AE system, and that it needs to be more transparent. I don't like the fact they can choose to backfill or not backfill certain categories druing the award, or that they can selectively not enforce every displacement, or that they can withdraw bids. In my mind, they say what positions are up for bid, and the slots are filled automatically, each vacated position being available to a lower seniority bidder, etc. I was told your APA required backfilling of positions, and I think that's an improvement we should seek.

Sink r8 09-16-2010 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 871390)
What is the historical percentile for being a line holder in a domestic category at Delta been? 2008-2009 were not realistic due to the overstaffing in some cats. that the company held vs displacing. Would 75-80% be realistic?

30% was historical, but I believe the post-BK target is 15%. So 75% - 80% should actually be conservative for a bottom lineholder. The problem is that they're not running normal staffing until they know exactly what airplane goes where.

newKnow 09-16-2010 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 871390)
What is the historical percentile for being a line holder in a domestic category at Delta been? 2008-2009 were not realistic due to the overstaffing in some cats. that the company held vs displacing. Would 75-80% be realistic?

Hey Gramps! Where are you trying to go? :D

Mem9guy 09-16-2010 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 871348)
Anyone doing the ATL-MEM commute? How are the loads generally? Is FedEx a good backup, or more of a hassle than it's worth? Are jumpseats usually available?

How is the crashpad situation in MEM? Do you need a car? Are there cheap commuter hotels?

I'm coming from DTW so I'm not willing to go over $37/night for a commuter hotel :D

Thanks!

Right now ATL-MEM has about 11 flights a day in a variety of sizes of aircraft. Loads are pretty high, but usually a few seats.

Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.

Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.

Sorry not to have better news...

LeineLodge 09-16-2010 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 871403)
Right now ATL-MEM has about 11 flights a day in a variety of sizes of aircraft. Loads are pretty high, but usually a few seats.

Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.

Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.

Sorry not to have better news...

Thanks for the insiders view. Maybe I'll hang out in DTW a while longer. It's just tempting to go down to MEM after seeing the last flight home from DTW to ATL is at 7:30pm (Last MSP-ATL is even worse, 6:30 I believe - Yuck :eek: ) FedEx would be nice to make just about everything commutable.

alfaromeo 09-16-2010 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 871334)
Ok. That's goes along with what I learned initially But, since fNWA 757's did Europe and Asia flying, wouldn't you say that they were doing ER flying before the merger? Or, is there something else I'm missing? I'm just trying to get the whole argument that DTW and MSP 757 category's should have been put up for a complete rebid like SLC and CVG 767 category's.....

Factually, you are correct. After Delta expanded to Europe, the ATL and NYC categories had very sweet flying. Almost all three day trips, pilots could decide to summer in Paris and winter in Nice, lots of great destinations, all three man crews. That is the "ER" flying that those guys were used to. Now, that flying has been broken up to other jets, other bases, and (gasp) even to pilots from that "other" airline. Instead of losing their jobs, they have had that lost time filled in with domestic flying.

So, yes, NWA did "ER" flying, just not as much and not as concentrated in two groups of pilots. The funny part is that fNWA pilots look at "Narita" flying in much the same nostalgic way. When fDAL pilots show up in their flying club, we sometimes get dirty looks. At some point, it will all be accepted as the new norm, but pilots hate change, it takes a while.

Superpilot92 09-16-2010 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 871403)
Right now ATL-MEM has about 11 flights a day in a variety of sizes of aircraft. Loads are pretty high, but usually a few seats.

Crashpad situation in MEM, very few choices, all of which I believe that you will need a car to use.

Commuter hotel situation is pretty pathetic. Most run $50.00 plus and very few in close to the airport are places that you would actually want to stay at.

Sorry not to have better news...

so much for giving up the forum huh? ;) :D


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 871412)
Thanks for the insiders view. Maybe I'll hang out in DTW a while longer. It's just tempting to go down to MEM after seeing the last flight home from DTW to ATL is at 7:30pm (Last MSP-ATL is even worse, 6:30 I believe - Yuck :eek: ) FedEx would be nice to make just about everything commutable.

Like Memguy said, mem isnt very commuter friendly as far as crashpads go, you'll likely need a car and the hotels arent cheap like dtw. theres alot of RJ's in Mem which has made my commute get progressively worse with the cut in capacity. I'm thinking about switching out of mem because of that. Plus memphis is pretty senior so it'll be a while to hold a line there for me so it may be time for me to switch bases.

Its a great base though and i'd love to stay there but i'm sticking with the bid for QOL idea. fwiw

acl65pilot 09-16-2010 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 871339)
Who do we have to replace him?

IMHO I'm sure he'll do great at ALPA national. Probably just needs to walk through the door and he'd already do more than Prater, but frankly, all I care about is DALPA.

To me national is kind of like having your local specialized whatever union representing both the unionized members and the non-unionized members and the illegals hired to do the same job. Until it has a sole purpose of safety of all airlines and the other interests of the mainline and regional pilots is split then I don't think either is getting what they deserve.

I nominate, Carl and Slow for DALPA. :D

I typed out some really long response to the second paragraph, but the responses might take 1000 posts so I will shorten it.

ALPA, IFALPA and an association of MEC's is very important. Look at what RJET is trying to do with the Star Alliance. You will never see another ALPA group welcome that. Getting rid of National will be like opening up Pandora's Box.

Global Market places needs a global association, and ALPA and IFALPA are it. We just need to fix its issues. Starting over will result in to many opportunities to take pot shots at this profession.

tsquare 09-16-2010 09:23 AM

Gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... just forget it.

tsquare 09-16-2010 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 871323)
So if you were a junior block holder you would rather fall back to reserve than have the option of exercising an MD and moving to another category in which you could hold a line. Seriously, think back to when you had no seniority to even be senior on something. Again, I gave a clear examples of why I think this AE system is dated.

The reference was to Delta's 80 year history, we might as well start from scratch and come up with something that's modern and efficient in lieu of something you would expect back in the 70's (40 years later) when everything was done by hand. This AE system is a "one of a kind." I would be very interested to see the demographics of the guys that created and molded this system into a contract

I have no seniority now in the current category I am in. Downside is that if I leave I will never get back.. well not for a long time anyway.. and believe it or not I am not complaining. Anyway, I'm not arguing the merits of a monthly bid.. I just don't want the split block/reserve thingy.


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