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unit monster 09-17-2010 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by JABDIP (Post 871800)
Can't believe FOX had to throw us to the dogs with the Amsterdam drunk pilot deal. I guess Buzz does not have any pull there. Anyway he was not over the US limit. Real bummer.:mad:

lol - because FOX news is looking out for YOU as an airline pilot. (any news organization for that matter)

I don't watch any of the 24 hour news networks, I just wanted to point out the extreme naivete of this post.

formerdal 09-17-2010 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 871745)
Yeah, I guess the guy that wrote the language that said you're wrong in your interpretation should just be discounted, as he would have to testify to that in a grievance....:rolleyes:

******- I know your job is to support the Unions actions no matter what but the FAA has made it perfectly clear in a number of arenas who the responsible party is when it comes to the operation of an aircraft. It is the party with "operational control" not necessarily the certificate holder. Our contract is being violated by the entity who has operational control of all those certificates...Republic. It would not be stretch to make the legal case.

The CHOICE has been made not to go after them....but believe what you will and spin away since you are the all knowing *****...

Mem9guy 09-17-2010 05:10 AM

Just got my manuals to go to training on the A320. Sent me all of the contents and no binders. I can switch out my DC9 Vol. I and FCTM binders, but I was wondering if I am on my own to come up with something for the QRH and the Vol II?

acl65pilot 09-17-2010 05:27 AM

Well I would e-mail them again and tell them that you are a 9 driver and that you were not initially provided these binders. They can send them to the MEM CPO free of charge, and may even send them to your house for free, but that depends.

You can also buy new binders for all of your manuals if you want to keep your 9 stuff. I think there is a price list somewhere on the Manual Services site.

On a side note, I have noticed that the binders at the typical office stores work well too. (Sans the QRH which is opaque)

slowplay 09-17-2010 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 871898)
*****- I know your job is to support the Unions actions no matter what but the FAA has made it perfectly clear in a number of arenas who the responsible party is when it comes to the operation of an aircraft. It is the party with "operational control" not necessarily the certificate holder. Our contract is being violated by the entity who has operational control of all those certificates...Republic. It would not be stretch to make the legal case.

The CHOICE has been made not to go after them....but believe what you will and spin away since you are the all knowing *****

Not exactly (on a couple of points ;-).)

Before RAH, there was American Eagle, a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR corp. AMR corp owns a company called American Airlines which operates "other than permitted aircraft types." When this language was negotiated we were already code-sharing with AE in LAX. Your argument would not hold up in a grievance.

Because you wish something to be true doesn't always "stretch" to the truth.

BigGuns 09-17-2010 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Wuzzo (Post 871870)

That was perfect! It really does amaze me how many CA's I fly with still think you can nav fix-to-fix with fms inop. (And I mean inop, not "database outa date inop" ;) )

With all that trianglulation and math, even if we could, I'd say unable... give us a heading. :p

UncleSam 09-17-2010 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 870899)
Oh please:

This...

http://oldcomputers.net/pics/ZX81.jpg

...hooked up to the TV (its the hopped up Sinclair ZX-81 with the extra 16k memory on the back)

mmmmmm Basic!

I bet DBMS runs on this bad boy ;-)

Cheers
George

Oh George, you bring back old memories. I put together one of these in 81 and progressed to Heathkit shortly thereafter.:)

1234 09-17-2010 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 871392)
I remember it being established long ago, on a forum far, far away, that seeing what people bid, or having practice bids (I think FedEx does it) simply gives one more opportunity to game the system, by witholding their bid to the last minute. As such, it didn't work well, I'm told. What was your experience?

I agree that if the bidding is done with few/random large bids, a practice bid is really of no value because pilots will most likely change their bids when it is time for the real deal. That is why I like the monthly bid as you can get a better idea of what people are really doing as you watch it over time. The APA system we had was nice (not perfect by any means though) in the fact that you could pull up a list and get names of every person with a bid in for a particular position and where they placed it in order of preferences. Typically if it was listed as a 3 or 4 and higher, odds were that the individual really wasn't trying to get the position but was gunning for a different piece of equipment. I guess similar to what we have now with really only breaking it out by the top 3 and then overall.

As I sit here and type out a long answer, I am realizing that what we are really dealing with is the large transitions due to the merger and I guess that no matter what system we have/use the negatives are going to be witnessed at a much larger percentage during this transition compared to the relatively status quo we are used to (yeah, we each had base closures/realignments but by and large their wasn't as many large movements as we are going through now). Once we get back to some sort of normal, I believe that either system will be working fine and most of us wont really care much one way or the other. That said, I would still like to have it done monthly since it does put a little more control in the pilots life for getting out of a bad situation.


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 871392)
I agree that the preferences we see now are too vague to derive a clear picture of who might be bidding a category, but it's a necessary evil because it protects what I consider to be private info. I don't wan't people to see how I bid. I only want the pilots to have access to it after the fact, to make sure noone was cheated. Beyond that, it's not of anyone else's business, how I bid, or what I want. I look at it as proprietary info: if I spend hours sweating my PBS bid, I own it. Same for the AE.

Fine, I don't care if people see what I am bidding for or not, and if asked, I would tell them (I am not bidding anything for the next couple years). You do know that everyone can see exactly how you do your monthly bidding (yes, after the fact, but odds are you don't change your strategy all that much).:eek:



Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 871392)
I do feel, however, that the comapny has too much freedom with the AE system, and that it needs to be more transparent. I don't like the fact they can choose to backfill or not backfill certain categories druing the award, or that they can selectively not enforce every displacement, or that they can withdraw bids. In my mind, they say what positions are up for bid, and the slots are filled automatically, each vacated position being available to a lower seniority bidder, etc. I was told your APA required backfilling of positions, and I think that's an improvement we should seek.

Absolutely agree with your above comment.

formerdal 09-17-2010 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 871925)
Not exactly (on a couple of points ;-).)

Before RAH, there was American Eagle, a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR corp. AMR corp owns a company called American Airlines which operates "other than permitted aircraft types." When this language was negotiated we were already code-sharing with AE in LAX. Your argument would not hold up in a grievance.

Because you wish something to be true doesn't always "stretch" to the truth.

Not a matter of wishing at all. The FAA has set this precedent, numerous times in fact in corporate and charter operations. Just because no one has tested the legal argument in 121 ops doesn't mean it will not hold water. I still believe Dalpa has made the choice not to.

Pineapple Guy 09-17-2010 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 871970)
Not a matter of wishing at all. The FAA has set this precedent, numerous times in fact in corporate and charter operations. Just because no one has tested the legal argument in 121 ops doesn't mean it will not hold water. I still believe Dalpa has made the choice not to.

And can you give me one reason why they would WANT to make that choice [not to press to test] unless they were quite sure it was a losing case?

Seriously.

Other than the usual DALPA loves RJs; DALPA is a pupper of DAL management, blah, blah, blah.


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