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PilotFrog 09-23-2010 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 875057)
The number of hulls is decreased. Delta publishes those number under the Marketing section of DALnet.

ASM's has gone up in the short term, but will be going down now as they cannot replace 50 seat jets for 76 seat jets.

At least not till the next super secret LOA.

80ktsClamp 09-23-2010 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 875180)
At least not till the next super secret LOA.


I think they've gotten the hint on the super secret scope LOAs.

They just haven't gotten the hint on all the other super secret LOAs.

forgot to bid 09-23-2010 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 875163)
The only problem is that CBA's change. Somebody, somewhere will fly these with 2 man crews if they are allowed per regulation. Then the next CBA cycle or downturn or bankruptcy, etc the company just HAS to have 2 man crews to compete. And once it is gone it is never coming back. Remember there used to be three crewmembers in EVERY flight deck. Some unions held onto the third guy for awhile, but now 1/3 of pilot jobs are permentaly gone.

I agree. If UCAL goes to two man then we will go to two man whether its given up or taken.

Worst case scenario, lets say the 330, 765 and 7ER categories we drawn down on the FO side such that FOs = CAs. Its about 774 extra pilots.

acl65pilot 09-23-2010 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 875180)
At least not till the next super secret LOA.

As per the DAL MEC policy manual an increase in the total allowable number of 70/76 seat jets above 255 would be a significant change to the PWA and therefore would require MEMRAT.

DAL 88 Driver 09-23-2010 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 875188)
As per the DAL MEC policy manual an increase in the total allowable number of 70/76 seat jets above 255 would be a significant change to the PWA and therefore would require MEMRAT.

Or... the company could claim a different interpretation of our current scope language, buy more RJ's, and then we could grant them a one-time exception for those RJ's via LOA, as long as they agree to our interpretation in the future. Nah... that would NEVER happen! ;) :eek:

Carl Spackler 09-23-2010 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 875046)
I do not equate "constructive engagement" to bending over. I take it as a dialogue between two parties that is two way and is rational. Rational does not mean accepting less, but it does mean being realistic and not irrational for the sake thereof.

Engaging does not mean compromising or to settle. It means to look at multiple paths to an end goal that all pilots desire. It means hearing the other side (management etc) out and then fact checking their position. To me it is amazing what happens when one just listens even if they know the position is totally wrong! :D

We can say that about restoration, work rules, retirement, lobbying that benefits our labor group etc.

What constructive engagement does is allows us the option to opt out at any given time. The void of this engagement will not go unnoticed. It forces both sides to be rational in their approach because both sides will be harmed in the end without it.

FWIW, this is not support of a person or candidate, this is support of the idea.

You've just described your theory of what constructive engagement should be. Let's look at what we have as a result: A non-BK imposed contract that is not top of the industry in pay or work rules. We are middle of the pack in every area. We should be at or very close to the top of the industry. We're not. That's the actual result of "constructive engagement."

Carl

Carl Spackler 09-23-2010 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 875059)
Like I have told you, I too have an issue with Prater's ineffectiveness. I do not blame the organization, I blame the person for his lack of response. Ergo, change the person not the organization as a first level of resolution. If the pilot's next choice is as ineffective then it may be time to move on to other options, but lest try the non-nuclear option first.

Just my .02

My goodness how you ignore history. We've tried changing leaders 4 times in my history at ALPA...each time with the hope of reform.

DPA is not the "nuclear option", although I'm very impressed at your ability to come up with new fear mongering cliches. DPA is a result of numerous personnel changes resulting in the exact same organization. The organization is broken.

Carl

Carl Spackler 09-23-2010 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 875065)
Cute Analogy there T :D

The single biggest difference is that I still see value in it and I am willing to give the process a chance. You may call that blind optimism, but I see it as a necessary step.

A step that has already been taken over and over again. Either you're to new to know it, or too in love with the bureaucracy to see it.

Carl

scambo1 09-23-2010 12:50 PM

Dundee Check
 

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 875054)

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Okay, I'll cut some slack for snapping the photo, but before uploading it for all your homies to see, a Dundee check was in order.

Its a gender check from "Crocodile Dundee"

acl65pilot 09-23-2010 12:52 PM

Carl at the risk of sounding like a ALPA cheerleader, look around you. No really.

Both companies were recently out of CH11, nether had made more than two quarters of profit since 2001 and they just had 10 billion in goodwill write down. Even I agree that we need more and a lot of it, but what leverage do you have to get the gains you are talking about?

What I see as a result of constructive engagement is our combined company (Which we help facilitate with a smooth merger) will make more in two quarters than either one has since well before 2001. I see that as setting the foundation for constant gains if the momentum continues.

Have I been happy with some of the LOA's and other items? Nope, and I have voiced my opinion that we could have gotten "a little" more than we did. In the end of the day, the JPWA which was a non-bk contract was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by both sides of the premerger airline.

It is OK to want more and not to be satisfied on where we are. IMO the true beauty of constructive engagement is that you can take it away. If you noticed our Master Chairman's letter made national press today. That is how much the financial sector is watching not just our mouths but our feet. It was a letter and it was picked up by the new wires. That imo tells me a lot about the level of attention that is being paid to this group.


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