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Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 878927)
I'm sure their is pros and cons in both negotiating tactics, but I worry about getting the wrong people in charge one day who will attempt to exploit one side of a pilot group against the other. Not that I see that from our current management, but I'm sure roles and actions tend to change when heading to the negotiator's table.
Personally, I think management will try to rationalize their position with truckloads of data that very convincingly defends their point of view on why something cannot be afforded. That is a slippery slope to start getting involved with, and I think it is imperative not overstep either sides area of authority/responsibility. While, I agree, and uncaring, not-my-problem kind of attitude is not the best angle, I also think a easy-going, overaly-amicable approach can be equally as inefficient. All of that can be done with IBB too. The main thing it does is cap the top end of the value off the bat. Values still need to be assigned to each item. The biggest thing that divided in the past was the FAE and the ability or need to keep that high. Now that it is a DC percentage, it is about the numbers but to a lesser degree the numbers at the top end. If this group wants to be split there is no tactic that will stop that. Pick and issue and it can be done. IBB works great if you agree that the number used is based upon today's numbers, value, regulations etc. A change in anything can greatly devalue the total value you agreed to. It at a min as to be off the costs of Day One of talks. ALPA and the company both spend an enormous amount if time valuing each item. The goal is to keep both sides honest and to get the best valuation you can. The EFA committee at National is always very busy doing this. They do it for LOA's, MOU's and section six agreements. |
Originally Posted by 727C47
(Post 878918)
tried to find the DC9 thread that was on here a while back but no luck,so i figured I would just throw this out into this sprawling monstrosity of a thread, I am now a practicing member of the DC9 tribe,did my bounces in a series -15,freightdog version,I feel the love,makes me smile every time i see a Delta -50.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 878926)
He always flies in coach. Never in first.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 878846)
FRONTLINE: flying cheap: interviews: gordon bethune | PBS Really? You think $16,000 a year as a starting salary for a first officer is enough? Can I tell you how they get to that, just so that the public knows? Every three or four years, there's contract negotiations between labor groups and the company. The company says: "We can afford to pay this much money. This is total dollars. How would you like to allocate it?" The union who's negotiating on behalf of its members allocates that money in a way that can get ratified by the vote of the pilots. You know who's not there? The people you haven't hired yet. You know who always gets left, because the captain wants $2 more? And everybody says, "Well, you know, my first year we didn't get paid anything either, so tough **** for them." ... The reason it's $16,000 a year is because that union wanted that money somewhere else, and that's the way it works. It's the union's fault. Well, you only get so much money. How much would you like to allocate?... Since new hires don't vote ... . This act displays a failure of ALPA leadership to grasp the basic concept that their power is a direct function of the number of pilots they represent and the percentage of flying they control. They arrogantly assume they will always be a relevant majority until ... oooops. Interest based bargaining just threw fuel on that fire. The unrepresented pilots got sold. The junior First Officers were told to divert their wrath to the regional pilots (who were not at the table). Some are just now beginning to wake up and realize what they were in bed with. One theory floating around ALPA National was to take control of Section 1 back from the MEC and NC to avoid the long term damage to our union caused by outsourcing. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 878934)
Enjoy the Diesel -9, she's a beast and alot of fun to fly. alot of work too but it's a real badge of honor to have! :$
A rite of passage is a ritual event that marks a person's progress from one status to another. It is a universal phenomenon which can show anthropologists what social hierarchies, values and beliefs are important in specific cultures. Rites of passage are often ceremonies surrounding events such as other milestones within puberty, coming of age, marriage, flying Douglas jets and death. Initiation ceremonies such as baptism, confirmation, bar or bat Mitzvah and "wing ceremonies" are considered important rites of passage for people of their respective religions. Like most Rites of Passage, flying a Douglas jet is miserable at the time, but is remembered fondly. After all, your greatest life long humiliation serves as others' momentary amusement. Flying a Douglas jet for 500 hours will provide you with enough experiences and stories to make conversation during the next 30 years flying Boeing equipment. |
WOW, Richard has been busy.
WOW, Richard has been busy. Some info on Director Memberships:
EXECUTIVE PROFILE* Richard H. Anderson Chief Executive Officer and Director, Delta Air Lines Inc. Age 54 Total Annual Compensation $600,000 USD This person is connected to 155 board members in 8 different organizations across 12 different industries. BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEMBERSHIPS* Independent Director Cargill, Incorporated Director Minnesota Life Insurance Company Director Business Leaders for Michigan Director Greater Twin Cities United Way 1999-Present Former Director MAIR Holdings Inc. 2001-2005 Former Chief Executive Officer, Director, Chairman of Safety & Security Committee, Chairman of Finance Committee, Member of People Committee, Chief Executive Officer of Northwest Airlines Inc and Director of Northwest Airlines Holding Corp Northwest Airlines Corp. 2002-Present Independent Director, Chairman of Compensation Committee, Member of Nominating Sub Committee and Member of Corporate Governance Committee Medtronic, Inc. 2002-Present Director Medtronic MiniMed, Inc. 2004-2006 Former Director and Member of Audit Committee Xcel Energy Inc. 2007-Present Chief Executive Officer and Director Delta Air Lines Inc. 2009-Present Director Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 878926)
He always flies in coach. Never in first.
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 878812)
Actually my only beef with the FNWA guys is they keep calling me a hoser - as in "Hey are you a Hoser or what....Eh?" Scoop :D aaahhhhh, uuuuummmmm, I resemble that...eh. BTW, how many southies know that the NHL's regular season starts Oct. 7th?? Ok, me and the guy whose wife is on the Thrashers Blue Crew. http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedi...ew%2809%29.jpg ps. thats not his wife..... |
Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 878960)
Even internationally?
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 878600)
Good for us in the long run if it did happen, I think. Painful SLI but probably the only way to have a west coast op of our own at this point. They do seem to know how to treat people right. The FAs are awesome. Hopefully that would rub off here as well.
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