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Old 10-01-2010 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

FRONTLINE: flying cheap: interviews: gordon bethune | PBS


Really? You think $16,000 a year as a starting salary for a first officer is enough?


Can I tell you how they get to that, just so that the public knows? Every three or four years, there's contract negotiations between labor groups and the company. The company says: "We can afford to pay this much money. This is total dollars. How would you like to allocate it?"

Well, you only get so much money. How much would you like to allocate?
Would you like to have every pilot get $2 less than ours so we could pay the first-year people this much, or would you rather have the $2 an hour in your paycheck and let the first-year people go probationary as they are, like every other, and you were? And that's what they elect to do. ...
The big sticking points in contract negotiations. I never believe the total dollat amount available for pilot compensation. Management would NOT be doing their job if they paid us every single dollar possible in their budget. This part of his argument is a crock of ****.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
There is good and bad to this type of negotiation. Positive is you know the value of the contract up front, the negative is you can be killed by a thousand paper cuts.

It is IBB style where the total value is determined but we get killed on the costing of each item. I would be careful about what you wish for. The corporation love this style because the work takes place on the other side of the table and they can then just argue that the cost assigned to each item it not correct.
Death by a thousand cuts could also be called Death by a thousand arguments. Agree with ACL on this one. There are a few items where it works in favor of the pilots, but imo those items are rare.
Old 10-01-2010 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
BTW, how many southies know that the NHL's regular season starts Oct. 7th?? .
Hockey.. like basketball, doesn't matter until April at the earliest..

It's freaking football season.. where every game matters.
Old 10-01-2010 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
That's impressive to say the least...
Al Gore always flew coach. Nothing impressive in that or RA
Old 10-01-2010 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
Al Gore always flew coach. Nothing impressive in that or RA
This is impressive!

http://www.alternet.org/economy/1447...eople_of_2009/
Old 10-01-2010 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
Al Gore always flew coach. Nothing impressive in that or RA
While I'll agree with you that there is nothing impressive about Al Gore, I think it's impressive to see the CEO of a major airline keep himself grounded enough to realize his title doesn't automatically mean special treatment when he flies.
Old 10-01-2010 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
You must not know many people who actually work there
I don't know how the company treats the employees but I do know they have some of the nicest FAs and agents that I've encountered.
Old 10-01-2010 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If I recall he got that position a little over a year ago.

It is always nice to see someone enjoy their job and the challenges that go with it. It took a 75% pay cut to come here to do what he loves. I know to pilots that will irk some but it is true.
On base salary perhaps. I just posted this link but here it is again.

10 Greediest People of 2009 | Economy | AlterNet
Old 10-01-2010 | 08:00 AM
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Sailing, it does not preclude the fact that his average compensation is 25% of what it was at UHC. We are not arguing executive compensation, but the compensation of one position versus a previous one.
Old 10-01-2010 | 08:00 AM
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The weather is a changin' in MSP. Check out the latest ATIS up in Da North eh!!

office alert - **contains naughty words**

YouTube - MSP ATIS During Severe T-Storm
Old 10-01-2010 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
The weather is a changin' in MSP. Check out the latest ATIS up in Da North eh!!

office alert - **contains naughty words**

YouTube - MSP ATIS During Severe T-Storm
Funny Stuff, maybe should see if they are really going to convert me to MSP.
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