Originally Posted by Superpilot92

So I log in, I see lots of hot babes so I feel it's my duty as a member of the Deltas L&G late night crew, to post something worthy.

Something I think we can appreciate and maybe get some satisfaction from,

YouTube - Satisfaction - Power Tool Girls

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

So I log in, I see lots of hot babes so I feel it's my duty as a member of the Deltas L&G late night crew, to post something worthy.

Something I think we can appreciate and maybe get some satisfaction from,

YouTube - Satisfaction - Power Tool Girls

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Very interesting exchange with GB over the airline industry and the Colgan crash with PBS, for most of you, you'll really like GB even more:

FRONTLINE: flying cheap: interviews: gordon bethune | PBS


Really? You think $16,000 a year as a starting salary for a first officer is enough?


Can I tell you how they get to that, just so that the public knows? Every three or four years, there's contract negotiations between labor groups and the company. The company says: "We can afford to pay this much money. This is total dollars. How would you like to allocate it?" The union who's negotiating on behalf of its members allocates that money in a way that can get ratified by the vote of the pilots. You know who's not there? The people you haven't hired yet. You know who always gets left, because the captain wants $2 more? And everybody says, "Well, you know, my first year we didn't get paid anything either, so tough **** for them." ... The reason it's $16,000 a year is because that union wanted that money somewhere else, and that's the way it works.


It's the union's fault.


Well, you only get so much money. How much would you like to allocate? Would you like to have every pilot get $2 less than ours so we could pay the first-year people this much, or would you rather have the $2 an hour in your paycheck and let the first-year people go probationary as they are, like every other, and you were? And that's what they elect to do. ...

Originally Posted by DeadHead

I know this is a few pages back but,

I think he makes some noteworthy points about management's role in during contract negotiations. From what I've understood at DAL, back in the day this was how compensation packages were negotiated. Management would throw a lump of money at the pilot group and the leadership would decide how to divvy it up amongst the pilot group.

What I like about this is that management isn't telling is HOW to pay pilots. I've always thought that we should negotiate a lump sum of money without justification of pay scales. Basically, the union should decide what each specific seat in each aircraft category should pay, then calculate that total amount required to provide that compensation package.
The lump figure is what our union should be negotiating for. The more variables introduced complicates the process while becoming divisive to the pilot group.

Not sure if this is the method used or not, but either way we cannot continue to send crap down the river because long term it only hurts contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Just noticed Mr. Anderson serves as a Board Member for the Federal Reserve Bank in addition to everything else he does.

The man really impresses me. Not only for his competency in our CEO job, but that he's also humble and respectful. Had him on board a few weeks ago. He boarded with other passengers, greeted the crew, took a seat in the back.

Hope Delta gets to keep him for many years to come.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Just noticed Mr. Anderson serves as a Board Member for the Federal Reserve Bank in addition to everything else he does.

The man really impresses me. Not only for his competency in our CEO job, but that he's also humble and respectful. Had him on board a few weeks ago. He boarded with other passengers, greeted the crew, took a seat in the back.

Hope Delta gets to keep him for many years to come.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

There is good and bad to this type of negotiation. Positive is you know the value of the contract up front, the negative is you can be killed by a thousand paper cuts.

It is IBB style where the total value is determined but we get killed on the costing of each item. I would be careful about what you wish for. The corporation love this style because the work takes place on the other side of the table and they can then just argue that the cost assigned to each item it not correct.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

He always flies in coach. Never in first.